They do look similar but if each took a DNA test, would their major fractions (African, Euro/Caucasian, Asian, Aboriginal, etc) be that far off?
Alicia Keyes might have an autosomal result of up to 65% Caucasian. The Iraqi girl could also render a result of up to 35% African.
And they met in the middle to 'split' the difference, lol.
Irani not Iraqi. And I highly doubt she would have any significant genetic markers of Europe or Africa from that last few millenia
1. Irani/Iraqi - whatevea! You knew what I meant.....
Also note the use of Caucasian too. And she possibly could have White Euro slave ancestry a few centuries back. See also Lebanese.
2. You don't know that. Both of our positons are untenable as we do not have her/family DNA profile on file..... She could have African ancestry (100+ years ago) for all we know.
Implications of the Genetic Epidemiology of Globin Haplotypes Linked to the Sickle Cell Gene in Southern Iran
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The β^sup S^ gene worldwide has been found to be in linkage disequilibrium, with five distinct, typical (common) β-globin gene cluster haplotypes. Four of these haplotypes are known as African haplotypes (Bantu, Benin, Senegal, and Cameroon); the fifth is the Arab-Indian haplotype, which was originally described in the eastern oases of Saudi Arabia and among the tribal Adivasi population of India (Pagnier et al. 1984; Padmos et al. 1991; Kulozik et al. 1987).
Today, Iran is a land of different ethnic groups, which include Farsis, Turks, Kurds, Lurs, Baluches, Arabs, Bakhtiaris, Azari, Taleshes, Turkmans, Ghashghais, and Armenians. [b]Some groups, presumably descendants of the slave trade with Zanzibar, are scattered in the southern provinces of Iran. [/b]
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Why do we find African haplotypes in the Iranian populations studied in individuals without African physical features? The custom of the Arab slave trade to emancipate the first descendants of slaves had a major consequence: significant admixture of individuals with some African ancestry into the mainstream population. In Iran this genetic admixture is bound to be not obvious, because the descendants of slaves (mostly women) frequently married members of the general Iranian population. Hence the phenotypic features (skin color, facial features, hair cross-section that defines the type of hair) tended to disappear with the high number of exogamous marriages. The fact that most of the African male slaves were eunuchs in this part of the world also helped with this dilution process (Bernard 1990; Segal 2001).
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200612/ai_n19431792/pg_4
They do look similar but if each took a DNA test, would their major fractions (African, Euro/Caucasian, Asian, Aboriginal, etc) be that far off?
Alicia Keyes might have an autosomal result of up to 65% Caucasian. The Iraqi girl could also render a result of up to 35% African.
And they met in the middle to 'split' the difference, lol.
Irani not Iraqi. And I highly doubt she would have any significant genetic markers of Europe or Africa from that last few millenia
1. Irani/Iraqi - whatevea! You knew what I meant.....
Also note the use of Caucasian too. And she possibly could have White Euro slave ancestry a few centuries back. See also Lebanese.
2. You don't know that. Both of our positons are untenable as we do not have her/family DNA profile on file..... She could have African ancestry (100+ years ago) for all we know.
Implications of the Genetic Epidemiology of Globin Haplotypes Linked to the Sickle Cell Gene in Southern Iran
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The β^sup S^ gene worldwide has been found to be in linkage disequilibrium, with five distinct, typical (common) β-globin gene cluster haplotypes. Four of these haplotypes are known as African haplotypes (Bantu, Benin, Senegal, and Cameroon); the fifth is the Arab-Indian haplotype, which was originally described in the eastern oases of Saudi Arabia and among the tribal Adivasi population of India (Pagnier et al. 1984; Padmos et al. 1991; Kulozik et al. 1987).
Today, Iran is a land of different ethnic groups, which include Farsis, Turks, Kurds, Lurs, Baluches, Arabs, Bakhtiaris, Azari, Taleshes, Turkmans, Ghashghais, and Armenians. [b]Some groups, presumably descendants of the slave trade with Zanzibar, are scattered in the southern provinces of Iran. [/b]
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Why do we find African haplotypes in the Iranian populations studied in individuals without African physical features? The custom of the Arab slave trade to emancipate the first descendants of slaves had a major consequence: significant admixture of individuals with some African ancestry into the mainstream population. In Iran this genetic admixture is bound to be not obvious, because the descendants of slaves (mostly women) frequently married members of the general Iranian population. Hence the phenotypic features (skin color, facial features, hair cross-section that defines the type of hair) tended to disappear with the high number of exogamous marriages. The fact that most of the African male slaves were eunuchs in this part of the world also helped with this dilution process (Bernard 1990; Segal 2001).
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200612/ai_n19431792/pg_4
Again, the same level as that of a person of recent African admixture is highly improbable and you could easily say the same thing about most parts of the world. As slave trade went far and wide both ways. But highly improbale that her looks are from admixture of Africans. The dilution factor would be pretty big.
It could be that Iran, as Persian was conquered by Arabs and as a result of slave trade and troop movements (ranks of the Arabs usually filled with mawali), within the Persian/Turk realm, the African admixture predominated as such.
When the Turkish hegemony took place, they (Turks) used Baltic/East Europeans/Greeks as their mawali since it was easier for command and control within their ranks and an local replenishment of said ranks.
Facial Features don't always indicate admixture though.
A perfect example of how the human continuum of looks is. And how mixing people from two different regions in that continuum will result in faces that many times resemble people somewhere between that continuum with no admixture.
Excuse me, but is the girl that is above Alicia really from Iran or someone who is Mixed with Iranian ?, Is their any info about African admixture in Iran within this Forum I can't seem to find any.
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Excuse me, but is the girl that is above Alicia really from Iran or someone who is Mixed with Iranian ?, Is their any info about African admixture in Iran within this Forum I can't seem to find any.[/quote]
No, she is an Irani model in Iran. No known mix. What would be interesting is what regional and ethnic variations exist in Iran as far as admixture goes and what the percentages of admixture are.
Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2008 14:51 Post subject: Nicole Richie Wizard of Oz Baby Shower
November 26th 2007
Nicole Richie and boyfriend Joel Madden had a Wizard of Oz themed baby shower, hosted by Brenda Richie (Nicole Richie’s Mother). The couple asked that guest bring a book for the baby, and that all other gifts and money be donated to the Richie Madden Children’s Foundation that will provide baby starter kit for young expecting mothers through Los Angeles Free Clinics. The sex of the baby is unknown, and Nicole and Joel maintain that they do not know the sex of the baby either.
Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2008 14:59 Post subject: Nicole Richie & Joel Madden Gave The Gift Of Charity
Nicole Richie & Joel Madden Give The Gift Of Charity For Christmas
December 26th 2007 Posted in Celebrity Couples, Celebrity Events, Celebrity Honors
Nicole is quickly growing into a thoughtful and mature person. With her due date just days away, Nicole Richie and boyfriend, Joel Madden hosted a Christmas extravaganza for 200 children and their parents. Nicole Richie and Joel Madden worked with Los Angeles County’s Beyond Shelter Program to bring Christmas to homeless families. Events included a visit with Santa, face painting, clowns and balloon animals. To top it off, Nicole and Joel gave 500 Cloud B Cuddle Cub teddy bears and 500 pairs of new Stride-Rite shoes as gifts for the children. These two have definitely moved up to the top of my list, and I just hope this kindness will rub off on the rest of young Hollywood.
Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 15:10 Post subject: Harper's Bazaar: Motherhood looks gorgeous on Nicole Richie
If you've ever wanted to see how dramatically motherhood could change a woman's life, look no further than Nicole Richie. She's on the cover of the current issue of Harper's Bazaar and says of her daughter, Harlow, "I owe the baby my life."
After stints in rehab, serving time for a DUI (okay, all of 82 minutes) and dealing with an eating disorder, the one-time reality star has definitely changed her ways. Long gone are her partying days with Paris Hilton and jailbird-inspired fashion spreads.
Nicole's embracing motherhood like nobody's business.
Now living with boyfriend and baby daddy Joel Madden, the frontman for the band Good Charlotte, the two seem near picture perfect in the beautifully shot photos for Harper's Bazaar.
In the accompanying article, she dishes on how being a mom has impacted her style, her new, post-baby body and her man. She also mentions that we shouldn't rule out a duet between Joel and her dad, Lionel Ritchie (I'm pulling for a punk-inspired remake of "Brick House.").
Check out these gorgeous photos of Nicole, Joel, baby Harlow and grandpa Lionel.
We all know I am a huge fan of Nicole Richie and I keep finding more reasons to love her. Along with her boyfriend, Joel Madden, Nicole has recently launched “The Richie-Madden Foundation”. The foundation aims to help poor women as well as bring meaningful opportunities to children in all corners of the world.
Nicole Richie and Joel Madden hosted a surprise baby shower for dozens of disadvantaged mothers-to-be at the Los Angeles Free Clinic on December 3rd. This marked the official launch of the Richie-Madden Children’s Foundation.
Read more about the foundation and what Nicole and Joel are doing at richiemaddenfoundation.org
It is my opinion that Nicole and Raven do NOT look alike in the least. It has nothing to do with skin or eye color.
Their facial features don't match up in any way. I'm sure that there is admixture in Raven's background...no one is disputing that. But no one could ever mistake her and Nicole Richie for sisters in my opinion.
She has a broad nose and very full lips, as well as a more rounded facial structure overall.
While Nicole has very sharp features. She has an angular jawline, a slightly aquiline nose, and a more delicate facial structure.
It seems that when somebody (like myself) disagrees when it comes to these things, people hop on the defensive and assume that it's about color. It is not. I would appreciate it if this didn't happen anymore.
It is my opinion that Nicole and Raven do NOT look alike in the least. It has nothing to do with skin or eye color.
Their facial features don't match up in any way. I'm sure that there is admixture in Raven's background...no one is disputing that. But no one could ever mistake her and Nicole Richie for sisters in my opinion.
She has a broad nose and very full lips, as well as a more rounded facial structure overall.
While Nicole has very sharp features. She has an angular jawline, a slightly aquiline nose, and a more delicate facial structure.
It seems that when somebody (like myself) disagrees when it comes to these things, people hop on the defensive and assume that it's about color. It is not. I would appreciate it if this didn't happen anymore.
Nicole is anorexic and Raven has some meat on her bones,
When Nicole had some meat on her bones and Raven had a little less they looked alot a like. Eyes nose and facial structure is very similar
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Posted: Wed 20 Aug 2008 09:07 Post subject:
Salsassin wrote:
Facial Features don't always indicate admixture though.
A perfect example of how the human continuum of looks is. And how mixing people from two different regions in that continuum will result in faces that many times resemble people somewhere between that continuum with no admixture.
It seems that when a non-African person has features that have a partial "African look" it is presumed that Afro admixture was not needed. On the other hand, it seems that whenever an Afro descendant has features that "don't look African" it is presumed that it comes from admixture. Tell me, why is this so considering Africa's huge variation?
Joined: 07 Oct 2007 {Posts: 248 } Location: United States
Posted: Wed 20 Aug 2008 09:13 Post subject:
pianoplayer111 wrote:
It is my opinion that Nicole and Raven do NOT look alike in the least. It has nothing to do with skin or eye color.
Their facial features don't match up in any way. I'm sure that there is admixture in Raven's background...no one is disputing that. But no one could ever mistake her and Nicole Richie for sisters in my opinion.
She has a broad nose and very full lips, as well as a more rounded facial structure overall.
While Nicole has very sharp features. She has an angular jawline, a slightly aquiline nose, and a more delicate facial structure.
It seems that when somebody (like myself) disagrees when it comes to these things, people hop on the defensive and assume that it's about color. It is not. I would appreciate it if this didn't happen anymore.
Half sisters, maybe imo. I see similarities, but not enough for them to be full sisters.
btw what do you mean "delicate" in your description of Nichole's facial structure?
It is my opinion that Nicole and Raven do NOT look alike in the least. It has nothing to do with skin or eye color.
Their facial features don't match up in any way. I'm sure that there is admixture in Raven's background...no one is disputing that. But no one could ever mistake her and Nicole Richie for sisters in my opinion.
She has a broad nose and very full lips, as well as a more rounded facial structure overall.
While Nicole has very sharp features. She has an angular jawline, a slightly aquiline nose, and a more delicate facial structure.
It seems that when somebody (like myself) disagrees when it comes to these things, people hop on the defensive and assume that it's about color. It is not. I would appreciate it if this didn't happen anymore.
Half sisters, maybe imo. I see similarities, but not enough for them to be full sisters.
They could easily be sister. Not identical twins lol, how many people have siblings they look exactly alike. Most of some things here and there that are shared traits.
btw what do you mean "delicate" in your description of Nichole's facial structure?
People are forgetting that Nicole was meaty at one time, she's anorexic looking now... that's the delicate facial features.
Nicole and Raven have similar eyes, the shape, the eye lid folds, the big doe eyes even the color is similar. Their noses are of similar shape and length with similar nostral shape, and that nose comes over similar pouty lips in the same fashion. They even have the same eyebrow shape. Ravens chin in pointier and Nicoles is a bit square.
To put it bluntly, her features are sharper and more refined...they are more pronounced. This means smaller thinner lips and nose. Most of the time broader features on a person of ANY race cannot be described as "delicate". This doesn't mean unattractive (to all the politically correct people)...it simply means that some facial features are noticeably different from others.
I personally don't think it has to do with weight, either. Nicole's face was fuller when she was heavier but IMO, she still had different features from Raven.
Surely we can all agree to disagree? You say "potato" and I say "po-TAH-to?"
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