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gemini072
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| G-Man wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | It was a joke - I think Chris Rock said that line in one of his stand up routines. |
Actually they went out of style after Debarge peaked in '84 or '85. After that, it was a rare event to find one on the cover of "Right On" magazine. |
Naw, the 80's were still ruled by light guys
Al B Sure, Christopher Williams even Heavy D Prince was still the man |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Sat 26 Jan 2008 03:49 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | G-Man wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | It was a joke - I think Chris Rock said that line in one of his stand up routines. |
Actually they went out of style after Debarge peaked in '84 or '85. After that, it was a rare event to find one on the cover of "Right On" magazine. |
Do you think it was El's androgenous appearance or Chico's shenanigans that contributed to their demise? And even though he is not a Debarge I know for a fact that Shemar Moore didn't help their cause at all
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Perhaps if the group had better album sales and a more masculine frontman after '85 people like me would still be "in style".  You know someone like a singing Tony Gonzalez. .
El was certainly not the most masculine dude,not effeminate, but not mascline either. But girls in my high school loved him and the rest of the debarge clan. Go figure.
Prince hasn't helped either. I mean high heel boots and eye liner. 
Maybe what is needed is a hyper masculine light skin-ded rapper with a long rap sheet and a physique like L.L. Cool J to bring high yella dudes back in style. |
Nearing the end of the 80's even LL started tanning more
When he first came out in (was it Krush Groove?) he was a skinny yellow boy |
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gemini072
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| anonymouse wrote: | | sagascend wrote: | Two words: Michael Jordan I think he singlehandedly nailed the coffin shut.
I think it was the comedian Pierre that joked about lightskinned men "making a comeback" a few years ago. No thanks to him though. he is NOT cute.
Personally I never noticed that they fell off but they might be underrepresented among rappers, who are, unfortunately the current model for Black masculinity (along with athletes). |
Jordan helped but Snips...I mean Wesley Snipes put us dark skinned fellas back on the map. Mo Betta Blues, White Men Can't Jump, The Art of War, Major League, Passenger 57, King of New York, Rising Sun, Demolition Man, Sugar Hill, Jungle Fever (American black women didn't really care for this role though ), Money Train, The Fan, US Marshals, Murder at 1600, Blade, Liberty Still Stands...this man did work. Seal did his part with his smooth suave videos, scars and all. But when Janet Jackson cast Djimon Hounsou in the Love Will Never Do video I think the final nail was hammered into the coffin. |
I think it was Mike Jordan Tyson Beckford & Denzel that did it
I don't remember too many women 'desiring' Snipes |
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femmedecouleur
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Oh and don't forget Jimmie Walker from "Good Times". No one could match his level of heavily muscled masculinity.  |
DY-NO-MIIIIIITE!
Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Sat 26 Jan 2008 04:05 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | G-Man wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | It was a joke - I think Chris Rock said that line in one of his stand up routines. |
Actually they went out of style after Debarge peaked in '84 or '85. After that, it was a rare event to find one on the cover of "Right On" magazine. |
Do you think it was El's androgenous appearance or Chico's shenanigans that contributed to their demise? And even though he is not a Debarge I know for a fact that Shemar Moore didn't help their cause at all
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Perhaps if the group had better album sales and a more masculine frontman after '85 people like me would still be "in style". You know someone like a singing Tony Gonzalez. .
El was certainly not the most masculine dude,not effeminate, but not mascline either. But girls in my high school loved him and the rest of the debarge clan. Go figure.
Prince hasn't helped either. I mean high heel boots and eye liner.
Maybe what is needed is a hyper masculine light skin-ded rapper with a long rap sheet and a physique like L.L. Cool J to bring high yella dudes back in style. |
Prince was a rock star so wearing high heels was workable. Prince is my boy
The ladies in this audience sure don't mind 2001 Hit n Run tour
http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x28o5_bjsnyde_prn/video/xj9ky_darling-nikki-live_music |
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Bischoff
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| Has the Rock, Wentworth Miller, or Vin Diesel ever do a movie where their female love interest is black ? All of the movies I have seen with them so far they have always been paired up with women that most people would not socially consider black from an eyeballing standpoint. |
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gemini072
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| Bischoff wrote: | | Has the Rock, Wentworth Miller, or Vin Diesel ever do a movie where their female love interest is black ? All of the movies I have seen with them so far they have always been paired up with women that most people would not socially consider black from an eyeballing standpoint. |
Actually from what I've seen most of the movies they play in they don't have love interests.
Vin has played ultra male roles and action films
the Rock mostly action films too
but the love interests it seems were very sparce |
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Antoinette
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| Posted: Sun 27 Jan 2008 14:59 Post subject: Re: Lightskinned Guys- Under Represented |
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| Monica wrote: | | If chocolate females are under represented in the media, what about the regular lite skinned brothers. They are pretty non existant in the media. Like the lite skinned brother on a Different World. Where are the yellow brothers with the african features? Where are the male versions of Tisha Cambell??? |
At the moment, the top A film actor of African descent is Will Smith, and the top If there is a good script floating around Hollywood, most times, he will be offered the role first.
In general, African descended actors and actresses are considered underrepresented in Hollywood as a whole because there are very few of them working behind the scenes in casting, producing and directing. Thats is starting to change as more of them are encouraged to enter that arena. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Sun 27 Jan 2008 18:09 Post subject: |
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| Bischoff wrote: | | Has the Rock, Wentworth Miller, or Vin Diesel ever do a movie where their female love interest is black ? All of the movies I have seen with them so far they have always been paired up with women that most people would not socially consider black from an eyeballing standpoint. |
From an eyeballing Standpoint? Depends on the eyeballer.
The Rock seemed to have taken a liking to Rosario Dawson in The Rundown |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Sun 27 Jan 2008 18:10 Post subject: Re: Lightskinned Guys- Under Represented |
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| Antoinette wrote: | | Monica wrote: | | If chocolate females are under represented in the media, what about the regular lite skinned brothers. They are pretty non existant in the media. Like the lite skinned brother on a Different World. Where are the yellow brothers with the african features? Where are the male versions of Tisha Cambell??? |
At the moment, the top A film actor of African descent is Will Smith, and the top If there is a good script floating around Hollywood, most times, he will be offered the role first.
In general, African descended actors and actresses are considered underrepresented in Hollywood as a whole because there are very few of them working behind the scenes in casting, producing and directing. Thats is starting to change as more of them are encouraged to enter that arena. |
Would you say African American actors play less than 12% of the roles out there? If not, they are not underrepresented. |
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Antoinette
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| Posted: Sun 27 Jan 2008 21:39 Post subject: Re: Lightskinned Guys- Under Represented |
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| Quote: | | Would you say African American actors play less than 12% of the roles out there? If not, they are not underrepresented. |
I don't know. I'm not currently a member of AFTRA or SAG who compile the data yearly, but having lived and worked in that industry, I can tell you that casting diversity is definitely a priority for the Unions because it is a concern for its member...... not just for those of African descent, but also Asian/Pacific Islander, American Indian, and Latino. SAG has been holding special events for the studios, production companies and people in the casting industry to help bring about change and awareness. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Mon 28 Jan 2008 15:18 Post subject: Re: Lightskinned Guys- Under Represented |
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| Antoinette wrote: | | Quote: | | Would you say African American actors play less than 12% of the roles out there? If not, they are not underrepresented. |
I don't know. I'm not currently a member of AFTRA or SAG who compile the data yearly, but having lived and worked in that industry, I can tell you that casting diversity is definitely a priority for the Unions because it is a concern for its member...... not just for those of African descent, but also Asian/Pacific Islander, American Indian, and Latino. SAG has been holding special events for the studios, production companies and people in the casting industry to help bring about change and awareness. |
I understand that, but my point still is that if more than 12% of the actors are African American then they are repesented equally to the amount of their population. |
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sagascend
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| Posted: Mon 28 Jan 2008 15:27 Post subject: Re: Lightskinned Guys- Under Represented |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | Antoinette wrote: | | Quote: | | Would you say African American actors play less than 12% of the roles out there? If not, they are not underrepresented. |
I don't know. I'm not currently a member of AFTRA or SAG who compile the data yearly, but having lived and worked in that industry, I can tell you that casting diversity is definitely a priority for the Unions because it is a concern for its member...... not just for those of African descent, but also Asian/Pacific Islander, American Indian, and Latino. SAG has been holding special events for the studios, production companies and people in the casting industry to help bring about change and awareness. |
I understand that, but my point still is that if more than 12% of the actors are African American then they are repesented equally to the amount of their population. |
On screen or in show/role/character categories?
I think representation in Hollywood media is also interesting because of the overrepresentation of certain lifestyles, cultures and character types. Hollywood really doesn't represent the U.S. accurately.
Back in the day Louis B. Mayer (studio head at MGM) produced movies promoting a mainstream small town U.S. that simply didn't exist as depicted (or at least was not as dominant). Now it seems like urban life among upper middle to wealthy Whites with a sprinkling of "others" is what you see on the tube and in film. If you look at protagonists and the contexts in which most stories take place they do not make sense for anyone other than White people to play them most of the time. Blacks are in supporting roles or a few actors have enough clout to play characters originally meant for Whites (but they can do so because they "transcend" race in the minds of the audience). |
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