Posted: Tue 29 Jan 2008 22:59 Post subject: biracial people dividing themself up from light skin blacks
biracial people dividing themselves up from light skin blacks they keep saying light skinned blacks aren`t mixed because the have two black parents they think that you need two parent of tow differentes races to be mixed race's .they don`t relies that light skin blacks are multiracial themselves .light skinned blacks have mixed race ancestors marking their skin lighter skin that's how we got all these lighter tone black people.
their say bullshxt like this:
most bi-racial peopl of European and African decent..tends too look light skin black..that arent mixed thats.what the hell is looking light skin black????
answers from biracial people:
light skin blacks aren`t mixed their just light skin.
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 01:12 Post subject: Mulatto + Mulatto = Mulatto!
I understand where you're coming from, zandie, and I'm not sure why some more recently mixed folks have this mental blockage. Take Louisiana Creoles as an example. If a group of people with a white parent and a black parent marry one another and have children and all their children intermarry and so on and so on and so on. Then, guess what? 12 generations later, the offspring of such a people are still mixed. If a mulatto marries a mulatto and they have kids, then what are the kids? The kids are mulatto. How can it be any other way?
Again, I cannot understand why some first-generation mulattos tell second or multi-generation mulattos that they are not mixed. It just doesn't make sense. I have heard complaints similar to yours from several people online. I think it is reasonable to realize that the upbringing and life experience will be different when your parents are both mixed versus one black, one white, but since we come out looking similar either way, then there are many life experiences that we do have in common.
I think it would be better if people would just take people for what they are, you know? A person who sees themselves as mulatto/biracial/mixed does not want to be told, "Well, you're just black, then." So, why would a mulatto turn around and tell a "light skinned black" person "Well, you're just black, then" ??? It almost seems like there are people of every color and background that are AFRAID of or have an AVERSION to letting everyone just embrace all of what they are.
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 02:13 Post subject: Re: biracial people dividing themself up from light skin bla
zandie wrote:
biracial people dividing themselves up from light skin blacks they keep saying light skinned blacks aren`t mixed because the have two black parents they think that you need two parent of tow differentes races to be mixed race's .they don`t relies that light skin blacks are multiracial themselves .light skinned blacks have mixed race ancestors marking their skin lighter skin that's how we got all these lighter tone black people.
their say bullshxt like this:
most bi-racial peopl of European and African decent..tends too look light skin black..that arent mixed thats.what the hell is looking light skin black????
answers from biracial people:
light skin blacks aren`t mixed their just light skin.
Categorizing people based on skin tone is in my opinion a totally assinine idea. It will accomplish nothing. People can and do have a light skinned as well as dark skinned full blooded siblings.
Perhaps you should focus less on the colour other people's skin is and invest in a good English grammar book.
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 17:41 Post subject: first generation you are prepatrating firstgen only mix
first generation you are prepatrating firstgen only mixed race.so what happens if you marry a black or white person are you going to tell your children and granchildren there not mixed race there just light skinned?first generation are onedroprule MGM multi generational.i think MGM multi generational people have been told from there grate grate granmon to only think of themselfs as light skin black.this how we get light skin black saying iam not mix iam just light skin.
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 18:20 Post subject: Re: Mulatto + Mulatto = Mulatto!
OTHER wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, zandie, and I'm not sure why some more recently mixed folks have this mental blockage. Take Louisiana Creoles as an example. If a group of people with a white parent and a black parent marry one another and have children and all their children intermarry and so on and so on and so on. Then, guess what? 12 generations later, the offspring of such a people are still mixed. If a mulatto marries a mulatto and they have kids, then what are the kids? The kids are mulatto. How can it be any other way?
Again, I cannot understand why some first-generation mulattos tell second or multi-generation mulattos that they are not mixed. It just doesn't make sense. I have heard complaints similar to yours from several people online. I think it is reasonable to realize that the upbringing and life experience will be different when your parents are both mixed versus one black, one white, but since we come out looking similar either way, then there are many life experiences that we do have in common.
I think it would be better if people would just take people for what they are, you know? A person who sees themselves as mulatto/biracial/mixed does not want to be told, "Well, you're just black, then." So, why would a mulatto turn around and tell a "light skinned black" person "Well, you're just black, then" ??? It almost seems like there are people of every color and background that are AFRAID of or have an AVERSION to letting everyone just embrace all of what they are.
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
Who are the people saying this? It's been my experience, during the "Interracial Voice" years, that black-identified folks who support the ODR liked to claim that one is not mixed race unless one's parents were an officially classified "interracial" couple. I see it as an effort of damage control on their part since the idea that the white or non-black parent should be rejected was becoming too odious to many Americans.
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 18:22 Post subject: Re: first generation you are prepatrating firstgen only mix
zandie wrote:
first generation you are prepatrating firstgen only mixed race.so what happens if you marry a black or white person are you going to tell your children and granchildren there not mixed race there just light skinned?first generation are onedroprule MGM multi generational.i think MGM multi generational people have been told from there grate grate granmon to only think of themselfs as light skin black.this how we get light skin black saying iam not mix iam just light skin.
Please. Read The Rules paragraph 3.4. Your prose is too hard to read. It should not be much effort for you to make it more standard.
I suspect that most would agree with you that multi-gen mixed individuals are still "mixed," and that it is not particularly useful to restrict the term "mixed" solely to the first Afro-Euro generation. But, due to your nonstandard prose, I am not sure that this was in fact your point.
Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 22:05 Post subject: Re: Mulatto + Mulatto = Mulatto!
Powell wrote:
OTHER wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, zandie, and I'm not sure why some more recently mixed folks have this mental blockage. Take Louisiana Creoles as an example. If a group of people with a white parent and a black parent marry one another and have children and all their children intermarry and so on and so on and so on. Then, guess what? 12 generations later, the offspring of such a people are still mixed. If a mulatto marries a mulatto and they have kids, then what are the kids? The kids are mulatto. How can it be any other way?
Again, I cannot understand why some first-generation mulattos tell second or multi-generation mulattos that they are not mixed. It just doesn't make sense. I have heard complaints similar to yours from several people online. I think it is reasonable to realize that the upbringing and life experience will be different when your parents are both mixed versus one black, one white, but since we come out looking similar either way, then there are many life experiences that we do have in common.
I think it would be better if people would just take people for what they are, you know? A person who sees themselves as mulatto/biracial/mixed does not want to be told, "Well, you're just black, then." So, why would a mulatto turn around and tell a "light skinned black" person "Well, you're just black, then" ??? It almost seems like there are people of every color and background that are AFRAID of or have an AVERSION to letting everyone just embrace all of what they are.
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
Who are the people saying this? It's been my experience, during the "Interracial Voice" years, that black-identified folks who support the ODR liked to claim that one is not mixed race unless one's parents were an officially classified "interracial" couple. I see it as an effort of damage control on their part since the idea that the white or non-black parent should be rejected was becoming too odious to many Americans.
I'm sorry. I'm not understanding. It sounds like you're saying the same thing I'm saying. Are we agreeing that there are some black people who reject mixedness (in themselves and in others) when it is further than a generation or two back? That's what I was saying and also that blacks aren't the only ones who do this.
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Posted: Wed 30 Jan 2008 22:46 Post subject: Re: Mulatto + Mulatto = Mulatto!
OTHER wrote:
Powell wrote:
OTHER wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, zandie, and I'm not sure why some more recently mixed folks have this mental blockage. Take Louisiana Creoles as an example. If a group of people with a white parent and a black parent marry one another and have children and all their children intermarry and so on and so on and so on. Then, guess what? 12 generations later, the offspring of such a people are still mixed. If a mulatto marries a mulatto and they have kids, then what are the kids? The kids are mulatto. How can it be any other way?
Again, I cannot understand why some first-generation mulattos tell second or multi-generation mulattos that they are not mixed. It just doesn't make sense. I have heard complaints similar to yours from several people online. I think it is reasonable to realize that the upbringing and life experience will be different when your parents are both mixed versus one black, one white, but since we come out looking similar either way, then there are many life experiences that we do have in common.
I think it would be better if people would just take people for what they are, you know? A person who sees themselves as mulatto/biracial/mixed does not want to be told, "Well, you're just black, then." So, why would a mulatto turn around and tell a "light skinned black" person "Well, you're just black, then" ??? It almost seems like there are people of every color and background that are AFRAID of or have an AVERSION to letting everyone just embrace all of what they are.
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
Who are the people saying this? It's been my experience, during the "Interracial Voice" years, that black-identified folks who support the ODR liked to claim that one is not mixed race unless one's parents were an officially classified "interracial" couple. I see it as an effort of damage control on their part since the idea that the white or non-black parent should be rejected was becoming too odious to many Americans.
I'm sorry. I'm not understanding. It sounds like you're saying the same thing I'm saying. Are we agreeing that there are some black people who reject mixedness (in themselves and in others) when it is further than a generation or two back? That's what I was saying and also that blacks aren't the only ones who do this.
Yes, I am agreeing with you. I am just saying that, in my experience, people who promoted this "You're not mixed unless your parents were an officially classified interracial couple" nonsense tended to be black-identified folks engaged in damage control to salvage what they can of the ODR.
Other said:
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
I oppose the embracing of mixedness on one account only:
If you embrace it out of fear of what you will think of yourself, or what others will think of you, if you choose not to embrace all of it, or if you believe you do not have the right not to embrace all of it, then there is a problem.
Other said:
Does anyone have any ideas as to WHY so many people fight against the embracing of mixedness?
I oppose the embracing of mixedness on one account only:
If you embrace it out of fear of what you will think of yourself, or what others will think of you, if you choose not to embrace all of it, or if you believe you do not have the right not to embrace all of it, then there is a problem.
Other than that, go for it.
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lol @ the sock-puppet
That's funny, because those are the same reasons I oppose a mulatto identifying as just black or as just white. But, like you said, other than those lame reasons, I think people should "go for it" regardless of what that identity might be. To each his own.
What I was asking for, more specifically, was why, for example, are some blacks looked down upon, by blacks, whites, and "others", when they proclaim that they are black but mixed with xyz? What is the problem that people have with others embracing their mixedness?
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Well, the black side of my family, particularly the West Indian side, identify as black but they embrace their mixedness. They talk about all of the different ethnicities mixed in. They are what you would call "mainstream", I suppose. They partake of things that might be considered "black", "white", and "West Indian". Because I have seen this firsthand and grown up with a family that is "black but mixed", I disagree with what you said about lip service. I think that may be the case for some people. But, still, what difference does it make if they are completely absorbed in the black community or the white community, yet still speak of and acknowledge and hold dear their varied background? Those people are still "embracing" their mixedness. Again, my point is about the people who will say things like "I'm 100% black", when they have pale skin and blue eyes. What does that really mean, then? Or, the people who will tell a "white" person who speaks of their Cherokee grandmother "You are just white". Another example would be if someone were to tell a black person "You are just black" after they just got finished telling you about their Irish, French, and Seminole ancestry. I am talking about the people who refute their own or other's mixedness. Does anyone know what their rationale is? Thanks.
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Posted: Sat 02 Feb 2008 16:19 Post subject:
ImBack wrote:
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The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Poster "OTHER" is raising some very good questions concerning the attitudes towards embracing mixedness. Now my question has to do with a small point with your above quote. Note that I have bolded the term "behavior". What behavior is specifically associated with a black person with two black parents versus a person with one black and one non-black parent. (A little voice inside me says that this almost warrants a new thread unto itself.) Please clarify. Thanks.
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Well, the black side of my family, particularly the West Indian side, identify as black but they embrace their mixedness. They talk about all of the different ethnicities mixed in. They are what you would call "mainstream", I suppose. They partake of things that might be considered "black", "white", and "West Indian". Because I have seen this firsthand and grown up with a family that is "black but mixed", I disagree with what you said about lip service. I think that may be the case for some people. But, still, what difference does it make if they are completely absorbed in the black community or the white community, yet still speak of and acknowledge and hold dear their varied background? Those people are still "embracing" their mixedness. Again, my point is about the people who will say things like "I'm 100% black", when they have pale skin and blue eyes. What does that really mean, then? Or, the people who will tell a "white" person who speaks of their Cherokee grandmother "You are just white". Another example would be if someone were to tell a black person "You are just black" after they just got finished telling you about their Irish, French, and Seminole ancestry. I am talking about the people who refute their own or other's mixedness. Does anyone know what their rationale is? Thanks.
Other, could you please explain how, logically, someone who is fully in the white community, or fully in the black community, is doing anything more than lip-servicing their mixed ancestry, if they prettymuch act, walk, talk, think, feel, and identify with whites, or with blacks, AS OPPOSED TO other mixed people?
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Poster "OTHER" is raising some very good questions concerning the attitudes towards embracing mixedness. Now my question has to do with a small point with your above quote. Note that I have bolded the term "behavior". What behavior is specifically associated with a black person with two black parents versus a person with one black and one non-black parent. (A little voice inside me says that this almost warrants a new thread unto itself.) Please clarify. Thanks.
Depends on the standards set up by that community. If the black community in a certain area thinks that "talking with proper grammer" is a black behavior, then it is a black behavior, in my opinion. It is entirely possible, you know, for black behavior, and white behavior, to be fairly similar. They only need to differ somewhat in certain key ways, when you look at them overal, for there to be an important distinction between the two.
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Well, the black side of my family, particularly the West Indian side, identify as black but they embrace their mixedness. They talk about all of the different ethnicities mixed in. They are what you would call "mainstream", I suppose. They partake of things that might be considered "black", "white", and "West Indian". Because I have seen this firsthand and grown up with a family that is "black but mixed", I disagree with what you said about lip service. I think that may be the case for some people. But, still, what difference does it make if they are completely absorbed in the black community or the white community, yet still speak of and acknowledge and hold dear their varied background? Those people are still "embracing" their mixedness. Again, my point is about the people who will say things like "I'm 100% black", when they have pale skin and blue eyes. What does that really mean, then? Or, the people who will tell a "white" person who speaks of their Cherokee grandmother "You are just white". Another example would be if someone were to tell a black person "You are just black" after they just got finished telling you about their Irish, French, and Seminole ancestry. I am talking about the people who refute their own or other's mixedness. Does anyone know what their rationale is? Thanks.
I can only speak for myself but I think when I refute someone's mixed-ness, it's a charactor judgement, that I think varies based on the situation...my husband can say he's mixed with porteguese but I know most of his knowledge base, friends, family lies in the city of Philadelphia in the Black community.
There is a young teenager across the street who is part of a strongly Irish family but her father is black. Her behavior is out of control, her weight is out of control...her whole family is morbidly obese and her grandmother and mother are jail birds and drug addicts. Now thats the Irish side. Her friends are black her taste are black...her situation is sad...she has no winter coat because she is the size of a huge man in height and weight...is she mixed...in my mind both yes and no...she's being raised as an outcast white...my hope is she would embrace her African American-ness and find some strength to staighten out her situation and gain a sense of pride. (in my opinion, if she had more african american influence in her life she would not be so lost)...
contrast that with the girls Leah lived with in Arizona, same situation, pepper picking, meth smoking whites raising children who are mixed with Black but take no pride in their blackness, have no point of reference about the "black community" and are very racist against blacks, in my opinion are not black in anyway.
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Poster "OTHER" is raising some very good questions concerning the attitudes towards embracing mixedness. Now my question has to do with a small point with your above quote. Note that I have bolded the term "behavior". What behavior is specifically associated with a black person with two black parents versus a person with one black and one non-black parent. (A little voice inside me says that this almost warrants a new thread unto itself.) Please clarify. Thanks.
Depends on the standards set up by that community. If the black community in a certain area thinks that "talking with proper grammer" is a black behavior, then it is a black behavior, in my opinion. It is entirely possible, you know, for black behavior, and white behavior, to be fairly similar. They only need to differ somewhat in certain key ways, when you look at them overal, for there to be an important distinction between the two.
You are making it sound as if a black person who talks with "proper grammar" is an aberration while it is the norm for a white person. Perhaps you are confusing socioeconomic class with what you perceive to be racial behaviour. I have observed that many people believe the attitudes and actions of the poorer blacks reflect the attitudes of all blacks.
The reality is they are not embracing their mixedness - they are merely paying lipservice to it or identifying themselves as "special".
Embracing means more than saying you identify with it. It means actually behaving and believing accordingly. If you identify as a black person with a white parent, and yet you behave and think as do blacks with two black parents, you are not embracing anything except blackness, period. That is your right, but at the same time it gets annoying when these people claim to be embracing mixed-ancestry and in reality do notthing of the sort.
Poster "OTHER" is raising some very good questions concerning the attitudes towards embracing mixedness. Now my question has to do with a small point with your above quote. Note that I have bolded the term "behavior". What behavior is specifically associated with a black person with two black parents versus a person with one black and one non-black parent. (A little voice inside me says that this almost warrants a new thread unto itself.) Please clarify. Thanks.
Depends on the standards set up by that community. If the black community in a certain area thinks that "talking with proper grammer" is a black behavior, then it is a black behavior, in my opinion. It is entirely possible, you know, for black behavior, and white behavior, to be fairly similar. They only need to differ somewhat in certain key ways, when you look at them overal, for there to be an important distinction between the two.
You are making it sound as if a black person who talks with "proper grammar" is an aberration while it is the norm for a white person. Perhaps you are confusing socioeconomic class with what you perceive to be racial behaviour. I have observed that many people believe the attitudes and actions of the poorer blacks reflect the attitudes of all blacks.
Unfortunately this includes many black people. Sadly, for some time now, blackness is defined downward. IME for many black people their identity is tied up in being marginal, and the most marginal black folks are what we call the underclass. Hence that behavior is seen as more authentic. I know of many black folks from the middle and even upper class who feign lower class origins or affect what they see as authentically black speech and behavior (no I'm not talking about code switching) in order to appear, at least in their own minds, "real black".
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