Actually i have never heard of Willie Lynch but that methods he has supposedly been credited with was commonly employed in colonial times by European powers, esp. the British.
I am not suggesting that you are incorrect, but it would be useful if you could provide a source for your suggestion that divide-and-conquer was used more by Brits than by others. You are posting in the "Technical and Scholarly Discussions" section of the site, after all.
Also, since this thread is drifting from anthropology to the history of colonialism, it may be time to consider splitting the thread and moving the "Willy Lynch" portion to one of the history forums.
Sagascend said:
''The way I read this Jaime is responding to anonymouse that the Willy Lynch claim is still false. The actual claim (or infamous hoax), not Powell's reference to it.''
Yes.
I'm thinking Anonymouse was lending himself to Willie Lynch after responding to Powell's post which said it was false. Salsassin in effect reminded Anonymouse there was no such thing.
Actually i have never heard of Willie Lynch but that methods he has supposedly been credited with was commonly employed in colonial times by European powers, esp. the British. Salsassin was agreeing with me but disagreeing with using Willie Lynch as a historical figure.
Divide and conquer was definitely used on many occasions, but not in the way the supposed Willie Lynch letter claims. There was never any concerted attempt to divide light skinned from dark skinned etc. Those divisions just came about on their own based on capacity of affiliation, etc.
Divide and conquer was definitely used on many occasions, but not in the way the supposed Willie Lynch letter claims. There was never any concerted attempt to divide light skinned from dark skinned etc. Those divisions just came about on their own based on capacity of affiliation, etc.
Not only that, but it was a feature of transatlantic slavery (as opposed to ordinary conquest) to erase differences among Africans and homogenize them all into one slave "culture." Whenever the slaves could retain their separate cultures and there were enough slaves of any one culture to be a threat, the slaveowners were in trouble. One famous situation arose in Spanish Santo Domingo in the 1500s, when hundreds of slaves from the militarily expert Ashanti Empire escaped, prompty formed up an organized army with cavalry, infantry, officers, etc. and took on the Spanish colonial army. The Spaniards finally managed to win the war at great cost, but they avoided enslaving Ashantis from then on.
Posted: Sat 02 Feb 2008 00:09 Post subject: Re: desirable racial traits - 2
anonymouse wrote:
Additionally other than in Louisiana, there wasn't any major mulatto culture. And even there it appears to me to be a subset of Black American culture. In fact, under the law mulattoes were Negroes and were treated as such
I'd be interested in any evidence you can furnish to substantiate the claim that "mulatto" (Creole?) culture was a subset of Black American culture in Louisiana. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people from there to the contrary.
Additionally at what point in time were mulattoes seen as legally black in Louisiana and treated as such? Based on what I've read their legal status changed gradually over time.
Divide and conquer was definitely used on many occasions, but not in the way the supposed Willie Lynch letter claims. There was never any concerted attempt to divide light skinned from dark skinned etc. Those divisions just came about on their own based on capacity of affiliation, etc.
Not only that, but it was a feature of transatlantic slavery (as opposed to ordinary conquest) to erase differences among Africans and homogenize them all into one slave "culture." Whenever the slaves could retain their separate cultures and there were enough slaves of any one culture to be a threat, the slaveowners were in trouble. One famous situation arose in Spanish Santo Domingo in the 1500s, when hundreds of slaves from the militarily expert Ashanti Empire escaped, prompty formed up an organized army with cavalry, infantry, officers, etc. and took on the Spanish colonial army. The Spaniards finally managed to win the war at great cost, but they avoided enslaving Ashantis from then on.
Didn't this happen in Brazil with Hausa slaves who used their religion and literacy in Arabic to organize a slave revolt that involved them at the exclusion of other Africans? The revolt supposedly ended with slave owners and non-Hausa slaves getting killed.
Posted: Sat 02 Feb 2008 00:23 Post subject: Re: desirable racial traits - 2
G-Man wrote:
anonymouse wrote:
Additionally other than in Louisiana, there wasn't any major mulatto culture. And even there it appears to me to be a subset of Black American culture. In fact, under the law mulattoes were Negroes and were treated as such
I'd be interested in any evidence you can furnish to substantiate the claim that "mulatto" (Creole?) culture was a subset of Black American culture in Louisiana. I have heard anecdotal evidence from people from there to the contrary.
Additionally at what point in time were mulattoes seen as legally black in Louisiana and treated as such? Based on what I've read their legal status changed gradually over time.
Mualttos were not legally seen as blacks in the state of lousiana, as a precedent which remained in place for many years, untill 1910. In 1909, it was ruled that a mulatto was a person of color, and therefore, not a negro, nor subject to the same statutes that Negros were subject to.
Divide and conquer was definitely used on many occasions, but not in the way the supposed Willie Lynch letter claims. There was never any concerted attempt to divide light skinned from dark skinned etc. Those divisions just came about on their own based on capacity of affiliation, etc.
Not only that, but it was a feature of transatlantic slavery (as opposed to ordinary conquest) to erase differences among Africans and homogenize them all into one slave "culture." Whenever the slaves could retain their separate cultures and there were enough slaves of any one culture to be a threat, the slaveowners were in trouble. One famous situation arose in Spanish Santo Domingo in the 1500s, when hundreds of slaves from the militarily expert Ashanti Empire escaped, prompty formed up an organized army with cavalry, infantry, officers, etc. and took on the Spanish colonial army. The Spaniards finally managed to win the war at great cost, but they avoided enslaving Ashantis from then on.
Frank that is amazing. It surely defeats theories of pan-black inferiority! Could you please please please provide me with the information in PM regarding this historical episode. I would very much like to use in forthcoming research about african acheivements, and also I would like it for my personal knowledge.
Frank that is amazing. It surely defeats theories of pan-black inferiority! Could you please please please provide me with the information in PM regarding this historical episode.
Why PM? Surely, it is of general interest.
The account of the war was written by Gonzalo Fernandez de Oviedo y Valdez, who was governor of the island at the time. He wrote the account in either in "La Historia de las cosas sucedidas en mi tiempo en America" (Toledo, 1526), or in "Historia general y natural de las Indias Occidentales" (Seville, 1535). I cannot remember which. But there is a secondary report of the war in the one of the first three volumes of The Cambridge Historory of Latin America. Again, however, I cannot remember which volume right now. Let me look for it and I shall come back with a volume number and page number.
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