Powell said: If black women are being shunned in favor of mulattoes (the "light-skinned black" excuse), a redefinition of "black" would solve the problem.
MP: I agree and also, I do get tired of hearing about the color war known as colorism among blacks. Because of the ODR many women who have some black in them are labeled black. But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make you white, or native American. I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial. And all rappers aren't into those glorification of sex videos. Common (a mixed rapper) has a video out featuring an actress(Kerry Washington) and his friend (Alisha Keys). This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.
Keep it in the scope of the fashion modeling world.
your a mulatto and you mention colorism all the time. Mulattoes and biracials talk about a lot, and generally 'black' identified people talk it about it, are familiar with it and many are mixed, biracial, too.
Tyra Banks couldn't touch Naomi actually name another famous mixed / biracial woman of light complexion who could come close to Naomi Campbell.
Oh, is Common mixed? Does he have parents of 2 different races? If not then he is a brown skinned AA.
Common isn't even brown(like Lenny Kravitz Boris Kodjoe or Rachel True. He is a freckled faced light beig colored AA of mixed ancestry,
The problem with discussions like these are people re-defining the term 'mixed'. Everybody's mixed if you get right down to it, and light/dark colored monoracal AAs are not 'mixed' in the commonly used meaning (vernacular) of this term. Of mixed heritage yes, but not mixed-race per say. Yes, someone White (i.e non-Black) is probably in their distant famly tree, just like 1/3 of White Americans have at least 1 Black ancestor, yada, yada, yada, but we stil call them White Americans. Notice Bliss calls herslf a mixed American, but I doubty (does anyone know) she refers to her daughter as such. Stop the ODR and reverse ODR.
For example, there are many White Americans my color or even darker, but we do not call them 'mixed'. Ditto for full AAs (not Creoles) with no non-Black ancestor in the past 2-3 generations. I think this site needs to clarify/define the term 'mixed' because it is too loosely used.
Also, I have met Creoles, LSBs, etc who stated that biracials were more 'mixed' than they.
Lastly, I think 'mixed' needs to be kept in context. Why? Because it lessens the efficiacy of the term by so broadly applying it. Native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
Melani, You have a special interest in the 1st Generation Biracial area. You cannot manopolize what it means to be MIXED. Your using skin tones to descripe races. Biracial is one thing, it specifically makes reference to someone of 2 different ethnic / racial groups. That's you. And there is a difference between someone who is biracial and some mixed in generational ways. Many biracial (1/2black) people are the great grandparents, grand parents and grandparents of 'mixed' people weither they identify as mixed black or human.
But in this instance I believe she is correct. Unless you know for a fact that Common has a mulatto parent, grandparent, great grandparent then there is really no point in calling him mixed as he is no different than most other black americans. After the little controversy he was involved in regarding black/white couples a few years ago, I doubt that he is a product of an interracial relationship.
Verse from Real People
Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen
The weary cursin' the sky
Talkin' to themselves givin' the version of why help and hurt in they eye
I live across from it, some of it I do be in
I be showin' niggaz lives
Like UPN
It's real people
Powell said: If black women are being shunned in favor of mulattoes (the "light-skinned black" excuse), a redefinition of "black" would solve the problem.
MP: I agree and also, I do get tired of hearing about the color war known as colorism among blacks. Because of the ODR many women who have some black in them are labeled black. But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make you white, or native American. I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial. And all rappers aren't into those glorification of sex videos. Common (a mixed rapper) has a video out featuring an actress(Kerry Washington) and his friend (Alisha Keys). This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.
Keep it in the scope of the fashion modeling world.
your a mulatto and you mention colorism all the time. Mulattoes and biracials talk about a lot, and generally 'black' identified people talk it about it, are familiar with it and many are mixed, biracial, too.
Tyra Banks couldn't touch Naomi actually name another famous mixed / biracial woman of light complexion who could come close to Naomi Campbell.
Oh, is Common mixed? Does he have parents of 2 different races? If not then he is a brown skinned AA.
Common isn't even brown(like Lenny Kravitz Boris Kodjoe or Rachel True. He is a freckled faced light beig colored AA of mixed ancestry,
The problem with discussions like these are people re-defining the term 'mixed'. Everybody's mixed if you get right down to it, and light/dark colored monoracal AAs are not 'mixed' in the commonly used meaning (vernacular) of this term. Of mixed heritage yes, but not mixed-race per say. Yes, someone White (i.e non-Black) is probably in their distant famly tree, just like 1/3 of White Americans have at least 1 Black ancestor, yada, yada, yada, but we stil call them White Americans. Notice Bliss calls herslf a mixed American, but I doubty (does anyone know) she refers to her daughter as such. Stop the ODR and reverse ODR.
For example, there are many White Americans my color or even darker, but we do not call them 'mixed'. Ditto for full AAs (not Creoles) with no non-Black ancestor in the past 2-3 generations. I think this site needs to clarify/define the term 'mixed' because it is too loosely used.
Also, I have met Creoles, LSBs, etc who stated that biracials were more 'mixed' than they.
Lastly, I think 'mixed' needs to be kept in context. Why? Because it lessens the efficiacy of the term by so broadly applying it. Native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
Melani, You have a special interest in the 1st Generation Biracial area. You cannot manopolize what it means to be MIXED. Your using skin tones to descripe races. Biracial is one thing, it specifically makes reference to someone of 2 different ethnic / racial groups. That's you. And there is a difference between someone who is biracial and some mixed in generational ways. Many biracial (1/2black) people are the great grandparents, grand parents and grandparents of 'mixed' people weither they identify as mixed black or human.
But in this instance I believe she is correct. Unless you know for a fact that Common has a mulatto parent, grandparent, great grandparent then there is really no point in calling him mixed as he is no different than most other black americans. I'm not calling him mixed in the way of Identity. Let's be sensible, his complexion and look is the obvious result of admixture, If he had blue eyes would you say it's not because of admixture and until I can prove he had a white ancestor his blue eyes came from his African ancestors? After the little controversy he was involved in regarding black/white couples a few years ago, I doubt that he is a product of an interracial relationship.
That controversy means nothing. I know biracial people who are against interracial marriages. In Lise Funderburgs book Black White Other there were a few of the biracial participants who not only had problems with it, but specifically had problems with their interracial parents.
Verse from Real People
Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen
The weary cursin' the sky
Talkin' to themselves givin' the version of why help and hurt in they eye
I live across from it, some of it I do be in
I be showin' niggaz lives
Like UPN
It's real people
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Powell said: If black women are being shunned in favor of mulattoes (the "light-skinned black" excuse), a redefinition of "black" would solve the problem.
MP: I agree and also, I do get tired of hearing about the color war known as colorism among blacks. Because of the ODR many women who have some black in them are labeled black. But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make you white, or native American. I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial. And all rappers aren't into those glorification of sex videos. Common (a mixed rapper) has a video out featuring an actress(Kerry Washington) and his friend (Alisha Keys). This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.
Keep it in the scope of the fashion modeling world.
your a mulatto and you mention colorism all the time. Mulattoes and biracials talk about a lot, and generally 'black' identified people talk it about it, are familiar with it and many are mixed, biracial, too.
Tyra Banks couldn't touch Naomi actually name another famous mixed / biracial woman of light complexion who could come close to Naomi Campbell.
Oh, is Common mixed? Does he have parents of 2 different races? If not then he is a brown skinned AA.
The problem with discussions like these are people re-defining the term 'mixed'. Everybody's mixed if you get right down to it, and light/dark colored monoracal AAs are not 'mixed' in the commonly used meaning (vernacular) of this term. Of mixed heritage yes, but not mixed-race per say. Yes, someone White (i.e non-Black) is probably in their distant family tree, just like 1/3 of White Americans have at least 1 Black ancestor, yada, yada, yada, but we still call them White Americans. Notice Bliss calls herslf a mixed American, but I doubt (does anyone know?) she refers to her daughter as such. Stop the ODR and reverse ODR.
Also, there are many White Americans my color or even darker, but we do not call them 'mixed'. Ditto for fully acculturated AAs (not Creoles) with no non-Black ancestor in the past 2-3 generations. I think this site needs to clarify/define the term 'mixed' because it is too loosely used. Also, I have met Creoles, LSBs, etc who stated that biracials were more 'mixed' and they were not (racially, not DNA-wise).
Lastly, I think 'mixed' needs to be kept in context. Why? Because it lessens the efficiacy of the term by so broadly applying it. Well, everybody's mixed of you want to be technical..... And BTW, native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San, some Nigerians) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
I go to the meeting, and everybody's looking at me trying to see where's the white in me and I feel uncomfortable. I don't want to have friends based on their mother and father; I want to have friends based on who they are now. And to me, the former is what this group is kind of about. I may be wrong, but I don't want to get into it. - John Blake, p.269 [Black White Other]
If I called myself interracial (in my mind, and i know others see this differently), I would need her presence, her "whiteness," to somehow validate my "half-whiteness." -Lisa Jones
Powell said: If black women are being shunned in favor of mulattoes (the "light-skinned black" excuse), a redefinition of "black" would solve the problem.
MP: I agree and also, I do get tired of hearing about the color war known as colorism among blacks. Because of the ODR many women who have some black in them are labeled black. But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make you white, or native American. I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial. And all rappers aren't into those glorification of sex videos. Common (a mixed rapper) has a video out featuring an actress(Kerry Washington) and his friend (Alisha Keys). This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.
Keep it in the scope of the fashion modeling world.
your a mulatto and you mention colorism all the time. Mulattoes and biracials talk about a lot, and generally 'black' identified people talk it about it, are familiar with it and many are mixed, biracial, too.
Tyra Banks couldn't touch Naomi actually name another famous mixed / biracial woman of light complexion who could come close to Naomi Campbell.
Oh, is Common mixed? Does he have parents of 2 different races? If not then he is a brown skinned AA.
Common isn't even brown(like Lenny Kravitz Boris Kodjoe or Rachel True. He is a freckled faced light beig colored AA of mixed ancestry,
The problem with discussions like these are people re-defining the term 'mixed'. Everybody's mixed if you get right down to it, and light/dark colored monoracal AAs are not 'mixed' in the commonly used meaning (vernacular) of this term. Of mixed heritage yes, but not mixed-race per say. Yes, someone White (i.e non-Black) is probably in their distant famly tree, just like 1/3 of White Americans have at least 1 Black ancestor, yada, yada, yada, but we stil call them White Americans. Notice Bliss calls herslf a mixed American, but I doubty (does anyone know) she refers to her daughter as such. Stop the ODR and reverse ODR.
For example, there are many White Americans my color or even darker, but we do not call them 'mixed'. Ditto for full AAs (not Creoles) with no non-Black ancestor in the past 2-3 generations. I think this site needs to clarify/define the term 'mixed' because it is too loosely used.
Also, I have met Creoles, LSBs, etc who stated that biracials were more 'mixed' than they.
Lastly, I think 'mixed' needs to be kept in context. Why? Because it lessens the efficiacy of the term by so broadly applying it. Native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
Melani, You have a special interest in the 1st Generation Biracial area. You cannot manopolize what it means to be MIXED. Your using skin tones to descripe races. Biracial is one thing, it specifically makes reference to someone of 2 different ethnic / racial groups. That's you. And there is a difference between someone who is biracial and some mixed in generational ways. Many biracial (1/2black) people are the great grandparents, grand parents and grandparents of 'mixed' people weither they identify as mixed black or human.
But in this instance I believe she is correct. Unless you know for a fact that Common has a mulatto parent, grandparent, great grandparent then there is really no point in calling him mixed as he is no different than most other black americans. I'm not calling him mixed in the way of Identity. Let's be sensible, his complexion and look is the obvious result of admixture, If he had blue eyes would you say it's not because of admixture and until I can prove he had a white ancestor his blue eyes came from his African ancestors? After the little controversy he was involved in regarding black/white couples a few years ago, I doubt that he is a product of an interracial relationship.
That controversy means nothing. I know biracial people who are against interracial marriages. In Lise Funderburgs book Black White Other there were a few of the biracial participants who not only had problems with it, but specifically had problems with their interracial parents.
Verse from Real People
Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen
The weary cursin' the sky
Talkin' to themselves givin' the version of why help and hurt in they eye
I live across from it, some of it I do be in
I be showin' niggaz lives
Like UPN
It's real people
I never suggested that he did not have some European ancestor somewhere back in his family tree. All I am saying that there is nothing remarkable or uncommon about Common's looks (no pun intended) within the black/African American community. So to refer to him as mixed is puzzling.
Powell said: If black women are being shunned in favor of mulattoes (the "light-skinned black" excuse), a redefinition of "black" would solve the problem.
MP: I agree and also, I do get tired of hearing about the color war known as colorism among blacks. Because of the ODR many women who have some black in them are labeled black. But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make you white, or native American. I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial. And all rappers aren't into those glorification of sex videos. Common (a mixed rapper) has a video out featuring an actress(Kerry Washington) and his friend (Alisha Keys). This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.
Keep it in the scope of the fashion modeling world.
your a mulatto and you mention colorism all the time. Mulattoes and biracials talk about a lot, and generally 'black' identified people talk it about it, are familiar with it and many are mixed, biracial, too.
Tyra Banks couldn't touch Naomi actually name another famous mixed / biracial woman of light complexion who could come close to Naomi Campbell.
Oh, is Common mixed? Does he have parents of 2 different races? If not then he is a brown skinned AA.
Common isn't even brown(like Lenny Kravitz Boris Kodjoe or Rachel True. He is a freckled faced light beig colored AA of mixed ancestry,
The problem with discussions like these are people re-defining the term 'mixed'. Everybody's mixed if you get right down to it, and light/dark colored monoracal AAs are not 'mixed' in the commonly used meaning (vernacular) of this term. Of mixed heritage yes, but not mixed-race per say. Yes, someone White (i.e non-Black) is probably in their distant famly tree, just like 1/3 of White Americans have at least 1 Black ancestor, yada, yada, yada, but we stil call them White Americans. Notice Bliss calls herslf a mixed American, but I doubty (does anyone know) she refers to her daughter as such. Stop the ODR and reverse ODR.
For example, there are many White Americans my color or even darker, but we do not call them 'mixed'. Ditto for full AAs (not Creoles) with no non-Black ancestor in the past 2-3 generations. I think this site needs to clarify/define the term 'mixed' because it is too loosely used.
Also, I have met Creoles, LSBs, etc who stated that biracials were more 'mixed' than they.
Lastly, I think 'mixed' needs to be kept in context. Why? Because it lessens the efficiacy of the term by so broadly applying it. Native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
Melani, You have a special interest in the 1st Generation Biracial area. You cannot manopolize what it means to be MIXED. Your using skin tones to descripe races. Biracial is one thing, it specifically makes reference to someone of 2 different ethnic / racial groups. That's you. And there is a difference between someone who is biracial and some mixed in generational ways. Many biracial (1/2black) people are the great grandparents, grand parents and grandparents of 'mixed' people weither they identify as mixed black or human.
But in this instance I believe she is correct. Unless you know for a fact that Common has a mulatto parent, grandparent, great grandparent then there is really no point in calling him mixed as he is no different than most other black americans. I'm not calling him mixed in the way of Identity. Let's be sensible, his complexion and look is the obvious result of admixture, If he had blue eyes would you say it's not because of admixture and until I can prove he had a white ancestor his blue eyes came from his African ancestors? After the little controversy he was involved in regarding black/white couples a few years ago, I doubt that he is a product of an interracial relationship.
That controversy means nothing. I know biracial people who are against interracial marriages. In Lise Funderburgs book Black White Other there were a few of the biracial participants who not only had problems with it, but specifically had problems with their interracial parents.
Verse from Real People
Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen
The weary cursin' the sky
Talkin' to themselves givin' the version of why help and hurt in they eye
I live across from it, some of it I do be in
I be showin' niggaz lives
Like UPN
It's real people
I never suggested that he did not have some European ancestor somewhere back in his family tree. All I am saying that there is nothing remarkable or uncommon about Common's looks (no pun intended) within the black/African American community. So to refer to him as mixed is puzzling.
That's tends to be an answer people will give in trying to minimize a persons mixture even being biracial. "you look like some of us so why do you need a different catagory" Why does his look have to be remarkable or uncommon? A lot of biracial peoples look are not remarkable and many don't look 'biracial'
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This woman is biracial, her look is not uncommon with the black/AA community. Does that lessen her 1/2 whiteness?
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This might be something that we should address in The Rules, since it seems to come up now and then. The first thing that pops into my mind is that it depends on the forum. Obviously, in the Molecular Anthropology forum "mixed" means Afro-Euro genetic admixture of DNA markers. In this sense, virtually all A-A's are "mixed." But in the Issues for Biracial Americans Forum, a thread exhorting the reader to join the mixed (or mulatto, or multiracial) self-identity political action group is just as obviously talking about a self-identity distinct from A-A, so nobody who self-identifies solely as A-A is "mixed" in this sense. If this ambiguity occurs only outside of those two forums, then perhaps putting both definitions into the rules might help.
I never suggested that he did not have some European ancestor somewhere back in his family tree. All I am saying that there is nothing remarkable or uncommon about Common's looks (no pun intended) within the black/African American community. So to refer to him as mixed is puzzling.
That's tends to be an answer people will give in trying to minimize a persons mixture even being biracial. "you look like some of us so why do you need a different catagory" Why does his look have to be remarkable or uncommon? A lot of biracial peoples look are not remarkable and many don't look 'biracial'
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This woman is biracial, her look is not uncommon with the black/AA community. Does that lessen her 1/2 whiteness?
My point is that highlighting that Common is mixed is pointless when just about every black american is mixed to some degree as well. It is akin to pointing out that a leopard has spots when MOST leopards are spotted.
Some people (not saying that you do) tend to lump anyone who isn't coal black into the "mixed" group, and they base their notion primarily on skin colour/tone.
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This might be something that we should address in The Rules, since it seems to come up now and then. The first thing that pops into my mind is that it depends on the forum. Obviously, in the Molecular Anthropology forum "mixed" means Afro-Euro genetic admixture of DNA markers. In this sense, virtually all A-A's are "mixed." But in the Issues for Biracial Americans Forum, a thread exhorting the reader to join the mixed (or mulatto, or multiracial) self-identity political action group is just as obviously talking about a self-identity distinct from A-A, so nobody who self-identifies solely as A-A is "mixed" in this sense. If this ambiguity occurs only outside of those two forums, then perhaps putting both definitions into the rules might help.
Possibly,
because that comes up a lot "all African Americans are mixed" and because of that, why should there be a different identity catagory. There are many mixed AA who don't have the 'options' as we see with Anonymous(all AA are mixed) & Melani's(1st Gens are unique) examples. I would say a lot are mixed, many of them it's visual. Whoopie Goldberg may be mixed genetically but I wouldn't say I see it in her visuals and that is a different. There are people who fall into a area of visually mixed (dark to light).
Why don't we look at that...something that might help with the rules.
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This might be something that we should address in The Rules, since it seems to come up now and then. The first thing that pops into my mind is that it depends on the forum. Obviously, in the Molecular Anthropology forum "mixed" means Afro-Euro genetic admixture of DNA markers. In this sense, virtually all A-A's are "mixed." But in the Issues for Biracial Americans Forum, a thread exhorting the reader to join the mixed (or mulatto, or multiracial) self-identity political action group is just as obviously talking about a self-identity distinct from A-A, so nobody who self-identifies solely as A-A is "mixed" in this sense. If this ambiguity occurs only outside of those two forums, then perhaps putting both definitions into the rules might help.
Possibly,
because that comes up a lot "all African Americans are mixed" and because of that, why should there be a different identity catagory. There are many mixed AA who don't have the 'options' as we see with Anonymous(all AA are mixed) & Melani's(1st Gens are unique) examples. I would say a lot are mixed, many of them it's visual. Whoopie Goldberg may be mixed genetically but I wouldn't say I see it in her visuals and that is a different. There are people who fall into a area of visually mixed (dark to light).
Why don't we look at that...something that might help with the rules.
I didn't quite say all are mixed but I believe (of course I could be wrong) that most people who identify as African Americans have a diverse racial and/or ethnic background. It would explain the sheer variety of skin tones as well as phenotypes within that ethnic group and which usually distinguishes them from Africans on visual clues alone.
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This might be something that we should address in The Rules, since it seems to come up now and then. The first thing that pops into my mind is that it depends on the forum. Obviously, in the Molecular Anthropology forum "mixed" means Afro-Euro genetic admixture of DNA markers. In this sense, virtually all A-A's are "mixed." But in the Issues for Biracial Americans Forum, a thread exhorting the reader to join the mixed (or mulatto, or multiracial) self-identity political action group is just as obviously talking about a self-identity distinct from A-A, so nobody who self-identifies solely as A-A is "mixed" in this sense. If this ambiguity occurs only outside of those two forums, then perhaps putting both definitions into the rules might help.
Possibly,
because that comes up a lot "all African Americans are mixed" and because of that, why should there be a different identity catagory. There are many mixed AA who don't have the 'options' as we see with Anonymous(all AA are mixed) & Melani's(1st Gens are unique) examples. I would say a lot are mixed, many of them it's visual. Whoopie Goldberg may be mixed genetically but I wouldn't say I see it in her visuals and that is a different. There are people who fall into a area of visually mixed (dark to light).
Why don't we look at that...something that might help with the rules.
I didn't quite say all are mixed but I believe (of course I could be wrong) that most people who identify as African Americans have a diverse racial and/or ethnic background. It would explain the sheer variety of skin tones as well as phenotypes within that ethnic group and which usually distinguishes them from Africans on visual clues alone.
I've been to some places especially in the South, where I looked like a different race to the AA that lived in the town or neighborhood. Totally felt different. Didn't even see medium brown people with narrow features.
The thing that puzzles me is that you have been here long enough to understand what we mean when we say mixed as far as genetics go. We are not dealing with identity and I'm sorry but I find a lot of people esp AA get that mixed up. Blackman2 had a serious problem with it.
This might be something that we should address in The Rules, since it seems to come up now and then. The first thing that pops into my mind is that it depends on the forum. Obviously, in the Molecular Anthropology forum "mixed" means Afro-Euro genetic admixture of DNA markers. In this sense, virtually all A-A's are "mixed." But in the Issues for Biracial Americans Forum, a thread exhorting the reader to join the mixed (or mulatto, or multiracial) self-identity political action group is just as obviously talking about a self-identity distinct from A-A, so nobody who self-identifies solely as A-A is "mixed" in this sense. If this ambiguity occurs only outside of those two forums, then perhaps putting both definitions into the rules might help.
Possibly,
because that comes up a lot "all African Americans are mixed" and because of that, why should there be a different identity catagory. There are many mixed AA who don't have the 'options' as we see with Anonymous(all AA are mixed) & Melani's(1st Gens are unique) examples. I would say a lot are mixed, many of them it's visual. Whoopie Goldberg may be mixed genetically but I wouldn't say I see it in her visuals and that is a different. There are people who fall into a area of visually mixed (dark to light).
Why don't we look at that...something that might help with the rules.
I didn't quite say all are mixed but I believe (of course I could be wrong) that most people who identify as African Americans have a diverse racial and/or ethnic background. It would explain the sheer variety of skin tones as well as phenotypes within that ethnic group and which usually distinguishes them from Africans on visual clues alone.
I've been to some places especially in the South, where I looked like a different race to the AA that lived in the town or neighborhood. Totally felt different. Didn't even see medium brown people with narrow features.
Maybe the reason you looked like a different race to these African American communities in the South is because they thought you were Arab. I remember reading in another post where you said you have been confused for being Arab in the past. What do you think gemini, phenotype wise when you look in the mirror which do you think you resemble more and or what society would socially eyeball you as more, somebody who looks like their name could be Jamal Johnson or somebody who looks like their name could be Habib Akbar ?
Maybe the reason you looked like a different race to these African American communities in the South is because they thought you were Arab. I remember reading in another post where you said you have been confused for being Arab in the past. What do you think gemini, phenotype wise when you look in the mirror which do you think you resemble more and or what society would socially eyeball you as more, somebody who looks like their name could be Jamal Johnson or somebody who looks like their name could be Habib Akbar ?
Wow I don't know, I was mistaken for Arab by whites. A Lebanese friend of mine thought I was Indian when we first came into contact, a white female neighbor also thought I was Indian.
For me it actually depends on my hair style at the time.
When you get confused for being Nonblack what kind of hair style are you sporting at the time ? Also how is your hairstyle when people actually do peg you as being Black ?
When you get confused for being Nonblack what kind of hair style are you sporting at the time ? Also how is your hairstyle when people actually do peg you as being Black ?
When it's long and combed back or a curly fro. I've been rocking a mini mohawk and that get gives me a look people end up asking about my ethnicity.
When I have a short conservative hair cut I'm assumed to be 'just Black' even though my complexion tend to be much lighter when my hair is shorter...I also tend to cut it shorter in the winter months. But I was also assumed to be part Asian or South East Asian by an Irish dude and a PR friend of mine who worked with a lot of them in get them settle when first coming to America
You have never been confused for being European correct ? I ask because when you say people confuse you for being Nonblack it's always a Nonwhite ethnicity like Indian or Arab.
You have never been confused for being European correct ? I ask because when you say people confuse you for being Nonblack it's always a Nonwhite ethnicity like Indian or Arab.
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Other than that and for the most part I'm asked if I'm biracial, mulatto or something like that
But yet one drop of white blood in America does not make youwhite, or native American.
Actually there are plenty of "white" looking Native Americans in the USA
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I feel that blacks who are non mulattoes do understand that one drop one black blood does not make you black. It makes one think that there are hidden motives for wanting to keep mixed race people labeled black. How can a mixed race person who is mulatto not on average feel superior to blacks when it is often blacks who keep mentioning coloirsm. It is black magazines that keep hiring mulattas, black rappers who keep putting mulattas in rap video, etc. This makes one feel that mulattoes are superior because they keep being chosen.[/size]
^^ Anyway,Gemeni says exactly what I was thinking..
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[color=green]You keep talking like there is this pure 'black' world that uses mulattoes. Black in the sense that your talking is not ... 'pure africans' many of these 'black' magazines have mixed and or biracial people owning them, running them, writing for them, shooting the videos. Rappers are also mixed and biracial.
here goes a few rappers who probably have some of the wildest exploitation of women videos
When it comes to "White looking Native Americans" that's more common in the Eastcoast. There are not too many Native Americans in the Southwest who can pass for White. Native Americans from tribes in states like New Mexico and Arizona on average are alot Browner/more Amerindian looking than their Eastcoast counterparts. I have seen an Indian tribe upclose last time I was in Arizona and none of the members had phenotypes that would be eyeballed as White looking by most Americans. Most likely that has to do with Indian tribes in the Southwest on average having less European admixture than Eastcoast Indian tribes. There's alot of phenotype overlap between Native Americans in the Southwest and immigrants from Mexico and Central America.
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And BTW, native born pure Africans can be light brown in color (Khosan, San, some Nigerians) too, but I think we can all agree that 'mixed' means more than just color...
