Posted: Fri 22 Feb 2008 21:23 Post subject: Obama outlines liberal policies in Debate
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Obama Outlines Liberal Policies in Debate
By Amanda Carpenter
Thursday, February 21, 2008
Barack Obama laid out numerous liberal policies he would pursue if elected President and dodged a blow from Hillary Clinton in a critical Democratic presidential debate before the March 4th nominating contests in Ohio and Texas.
In the run-up to the CNN debate in Austin, Texas Thursday evening, the Clinton campaign accused Obama of plagiarizing speech lines from Democratic Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick.
Obama brushed off the charges. He said, “The notion that I plagiarized from somebody who is one of my national co-chairs who gave me the line and suggested I use it, I think is silly. This is where we start getting to silly season in politics and people start getting discouraged by it.”
Clinton retorted, “If your candidacy is going to be about words then they should be your own words.” The crowd applauded mildly, but rebuked what she said next. “Lifting passages from someone else’s speeches is not change you can believe in, it’s change you can Xerox.”
After Clinton said this, the audience booed for the only time that evening.
When pressed for policy details on several issues like immigration, healthcare, the economy and international relations Obama supported liberal positions.
Obama chided what he described as hateful rhetoric surrounding debates on immigration. He said immigration rhetoric has had “an undertone that has been ugly” and “we’ve seen hate crime skyrocket in the wake of the immigration debate.”
Obama, who supports comprehensive immigration reform and drivers licenses for illegal aliens, said in the debate he also thought there should be lower immigration application fees because “it’s discriminatory” for immigrant families to “hire a lawyer” and “pay thousands in fees” to receive legal status. Obama added he thought Congress should immediately pass the DREAM Act to give in-state tuition to illegal aliens.
“I do not want two classes of citizens in this country,” he said.
On healthcare, Obama said his and Clinton’s plans for were “95 percent similar.” “We are going to subsidize those who can’t afford it,” he said.
To improve the economy, Obama said “We have to end the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy and provide tax breaks to middle-class Americans and working Americans who need them.”
“Senior citizens making less than $50,000, you shouldn’t have to pay income tax on your Social Security,” Obama said. “We [can] pay for this by closing tax loopholes and tax havens that are being manipulated.”
Obama and Clinton largely agreed on most issue positions, but sparred over whether or not to meet with the soon-to-be Cuban leader Raul Castro.
As President, Clinton said she would not meet with Castro “until there was evidence change was happening.”
The debate ended on a largely conciliatory tone from Clinton, who is considered to have lost her front-runner status after suffering ten straight primary state losses to Obama.
At one point, Obama offered a strong argument why he would be a better candidate to run against Republican front-runner John McCain, to which Clinton gave no rebuttal.
Obama said, “When we are having a debate with John McCain it is going to be much easier with a candidate who was opposed the concept of invading Iraq in the first place to have a debate about the wisdom of that decision instead of having to argue about the tactics subsequent to the decision.” This was a not-so-subtle criticism of Clinton, who voted for the war in 2002 while Obama was speaking out against it as an Illinois state senator.
After landing no solid, campaign changing blows on Obama, Clinton closed the event by saying she was “absolutely honored” to be with him.
“And you know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine,” she said. “You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people, and that's what this election should be about.”
Posted: Sat 23 Feb 2008 14:29 Post subject: Re: Obama outlines liberal policies in Debate
Melani23 wrote:
Obama, who supports comprehensive immigration reform and drivers licenses for illegal aliens, said in the debate he also thought there should be lower immigration application fees because “it’s discriminatory” for immigrant families to “hire a lawyer” and “pay thousands in fees” to receive legal status. Obama added he thought Congress should immediately pass the DREAM Act to give in-state tuition to illegal aliens.
“I do not want two classes of citizens in this country,” he said.
Lowering immigration application fees addresses some of the problems faced by legal immigrants.
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Posted: Wed 27 Feb 2008 21:19 Post subject: LATEST OBAMA NEWS: 2/27/08 BULLETIN
The latest news on Obama:
They couldn't stop him last night with the debate (bait) so now the church he belongs to is now under IRS investigation. Now the headlines portray it as if he 'owns' the church, i.e. Trinity United Church on the south side of CHicago.
It is said in news commentary that he is rarely seen there anyway.
I think his Pastor's (IMO) crazy racial philosophy is drawing negative attention to Obama. Insn't this the same man who wanted to give Louis Farrakan (NOI) an award? And the man happens to be lighter and more 'mixed looking' in appearance (racially) than Obama, lol.
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. became Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) on March 1, 1972. Within a matter of months he demonstrated an understanding and deep commitment to help TUCC achieve its motto and vision. The motto, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian", was a phrase coined by his predecessor, the Reverend Dr. Reuben Sheares, and was officially adopted by the congregation shortly after Pastor Wright began his ministry.
It's African this, Black, Black, Black, that, etc.... I guess they prize being Black BEFORE being Christian, lol.
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AFRICA MINISTRY - promotes, educates and advocates issues concerning Africans in Africa and the Diaspora. Opportunities shall be provided for education, travel, fellowship, economic development, missionary work, financial support, and health education.
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CARIBBEAN CONNECTION - This ministry is our Afrocentric congregation's attempt to educate our North American members about the many aspects of the Caribbean culture. These aspects include the cuisine, the peoples, the countries, the customs, and the religion of our Lord as practiced in the various Caribbean places.
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INTONJANE - Swahili for "Coming into Womanhood" is a formal Rites of Passage program for young women, ages 8-18 years old. The program involves each participant in inspiring Christian, cultural and social awareness exercises.
ISUTHU - Swahili for "Coming into Manhood" is a formal Rites of Passage program for young men, ages 8-18 years old. The program involves each participant in inspiring Christian, cultural and social awareness exercises.
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KUJICHAGULIA - The 2nd principle of the Nguzo Saba, meaning "Self-Determination;" provides resources, networking and hands-on assistance to persons who are physically, mentally, and/or emotionally challenged.
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Tangeni Adult Dance Ministry
Ministry Purpose/Objectives
The purpose of this ministry shall be to praise God in dance. In keeping with the church’s motto of being “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian,” we recognize that praise and worship in dance is both an expression of our heritage and an acknowledgement of our faith. Tangeni, as led by the spirit, shall provide fellowship and nurturing to its members through devotion during rehearsals, seminars, retreats and other related activities. Tangeni provides an opportunity for its members to enhance and use their spiritual gifts in order that we may minister unto the church universal and the community at large
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YOUNG ADULT MINISTRY - nurtures Christians between the ages of 18 and 35 by addressing issues and concerns of young African American Christian adults; and provides a bridge over which teenagers transition into adulthood.
MUSIC MINISTRIES - God has richly blessed us to have a staff of professionally trained, Christian musicians who devotedly teach choir members to make an offering of their voices. Trinity's Music Department is made up of six choirs:
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Imani Ya Watume - Swahili meaning "Messengers of Faith" (high school choir)
Little Warriors for Christ - age six years old through 8th grade.
Men's Chorus - over 90 participants (adult men)
Sanctuary Choir - over 200 participants (adult men and adult women)
Women's Chorus - over 200 participants (adult women)
Walaika - 3 to 5 year olds
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SINGLES COMMUNITY MINISTRY - addresses unique issues facing single Christian adults.
Never Married
Divorced
Widowed
Single Parent
Same Gender Loving
Upcoming Events
Now, where in the Christian BIBLE does same gender loving appear in a valid Christian, moral, or holy perspective for Singles? Hmmm....?
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A Christian church that promotes same gender loving. This would never be considered acceptable if it was in one of the bible belt states. But I guess Chicago is more socially liberal and hence churches that promote homosexuality is not out of the ordinary over there.
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Posted: Fri 29 Feb 2008 22:20 Post subject:
Talk about cross-over appeal (heehee). Yup, I have
to give Barak Obama credit for his abilities in that.
We'll Mr. Obama does seem to have some very real
cross-over appeal (chuckle), doesn't he (haha)?
*grin*
It's a new America, and I'm grateful to be living to see it.
Of course, I am a little wary of Barak's tax the rich plan.
A nation needs its rich folks to create jobs and goods and
services. Maybe high taxes will encourage our rich to produce
more. Or maybe it will discourage our creative folks from stiving
hard to please our consumers; thinking the rewards not worth it.
I don't know. So all I can do is leave it up to you young folks to vote
and lead us into a new and ever more exciting future of promise and
hope for all our American people, regardless of one's station in life.
Yes (chuckle), for better or for worse, I'm just so gratefully happy to be
here living during this newly unfolding chapter in our American history.
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 168 } Location: Mid-Atlantic States; USA
Posted: Sat 01 Mar 2008 18:05 Post subject:
I wouldn't be surprised if what you're saying is true (haha). You're
observant. Yes, it never occurred to me that it may be a fake picture.
A discerning eye, such as yours, is something more of us need.
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I guess they prize being Black BEFORE being Christian, lol. 
This would never be considered acceptable if it was in one of the bible belt states. But I guess Chicago is more socially liberal and hence churches that promote homosexuality is not out of the ordinary over there.
