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Bischoff
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Famu
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 Posted: Wed 09 Apr 2008 07:52 Post subject: Re: Linda Ramirez Ticketed For Calling Boys In Tree Monkeys |
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Telling kids to stop playing in trees? You might as well tell kids to stop breathing.
And way to try to go over the parents' heads on that one. Does she have any
ounce of respect for her neighbors as parents or what? |
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DChapman
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| That was rather dumb of her, but she should not have received a ticket. That's absurd. |
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Bischoff
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| If the boys she called monkeys were Nonblack I bet she would not have received a ticket at all because the parents of the boys would not have perceived that comment as being racist/race related. |
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anonymouse
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| Bischoff wrote: | | If the boys she called monkeys were Nonblack I bet she would not have received a ticket at all because the parents of the boys would not have perceived that comment as being racist/race related. |
If you do not understand a black parent's concern when someone calls his/her child a monkey in a country where black people were once categorized as sub or proto humans and oftentimes compared to apes then I will not even try to explain it to you. |
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XxRaVeNxX
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| anonymouse wrote: | | Bischoff wrote: | | If the boys she called monkeys were Nonblack I bet she would not have received a ticket at all because the parents of the boys would not have perceived that comment as being racist/race related. |
If you do not understand a black parent's concern when someone calls his/her child a monkey in a country where black people were once categorized as sub or proto humans and oftentimes compared to apes then I will not even try to explain it to you. |
But, what if the lady who received the ticket, was Black herself?!?! |
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anonymouse
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| XxRaVeNxX wrote: | | anonymouse wrote: | | Bischoff wrote: | | If the boys she called monkeys were Nonblack I bet she would not have received a ticket at all because the parents of the boys would not have perceived that comment as being racist/race related. |
If you do not understand a black parent's concern when someone calls his/her child a monkey in a country where black people were once categorized as sub or proto humans and oftentimes compared to apes then I will not even try to explain it to you. |
But, what if the lady who received the ticket, was Black herself?!?! |
In algebra identical coefficients on opposite sides of an equation cancel each other out... |
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Andrew Waters
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''In algebra identical coefficients on opposite sides of an equation cancel each other out...''
If the antagonist is black then none of this means anything; if I'm reading the coefficient right. If I don't understand the coefficient and Ramirez is white then how is it cancelled.
earlier...
''If you do not understand a black parent's concern when someone calls his/her child a monkey in a country where black people were once categorized as sub or proto humans and oftentimes compared to apes then I will not even try to explain it to you.''
If evolutionists say that all humans descended from apes/chimpanzees, is this the same as saying some black people don't have the wherewithal to understand why and how they arrived at the conclusion. Further, if a black individual called a white person a monkey would it hurt them the way it does blacks. Is so, why would it. A monkey is a monkey regardless of shade of skin.
I'm thinking resources could have been better used than squandered away frivolously. |
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anonymouse
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| Posted: Thu 10 Apr 2008 20:03 Post subject: |
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| Andrew Waters wrote: | ''In algebra identical coefficients on opposite sides of an equation cancel each other out...''
If the antagonist is black then none of this means anything; if I'm reading the coefficient right. If I don't understand the coefficient and Ramirez is white then how is it cancelled. |
if Ramirez was black it would not have been an issue (black on both sides of the equation). If Ramirez was not black then there is a problem.
| Andrew Waters wrote: | earlier...
''If you do not understand a black parent's concern when someone calls his/her child a monkey in a country where black people were once categorized as sub or proto humans and oftentimes compared to apes then I will not even try to explain it to you.''
If evolutionists say that all humans descended from apes/chimpanzees, is this the same as saying some black people don't have the wherewithal to understand why and how they arrived at the conclusion. Further, if a black individual called a white person a monkey would it hurt them the way it does blacks. Is so, why would it. A monkey is a monkey regardless of shade of skin.
I'm thinking resources could have been better used than squandered away frivolously. |
in this country with its long history of the majority abusing its racial minorities, especially those of African descent any hint of things returning to the good-old-days-when-darkies-knew-their-place should be nipped at the bud without delay.
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From the NY Times:
WHEN New Yorkers went to the Bronx Zoo on Saturday, Sept. 8, 1906, they were treated to something novel at the Monkey House.
At first, some people weren’t sure what it was. It — he — seemed much less a monkey than a man, though a very small, dark one with grotesquely pointed teeth. He wore modern clothing but no shoes. He was proficient with bow and arrow, and entertained the crowd by shooting at a target. He displayed skill at weaving with twine, made amusing faces and drank soda.
The new resident of the Monkey House was, indeed, a man, a Congolese pygmy named Ota Benga. The next day, a sign was posted that gave Ota Benga’s height as 4 feet 11 inches, his weight as 103 pounds and his age as 23. The sign concluded, “Exhibited each afternoon during September.”
Visitors to the Monkey House that second day got an even better show. Ota Benga and an orangutan frolicked together, hugging and wrestling and playing tricks on each other. The crowd loved it. To enhance the jungle effect, a parrot was put in the cage and bones had been strewn around it. The crowd laughed as the pygmy sat staring at a pair of canvas shoes he had been given. “Few expressed audible objection to the sight of a human being in a cage with monkeys as companions,” The New York Times wrote the next day, “and there could be no doubt that to the majority the joint man-and-monkey exhibition was the most interesting sight in Bronx Park.”
But the Ota Benga “exhibit” did not last. A scandal flared up almost immediately, fueled by the indignation of black clergymen like the Rev. James H. Gordon, superintendent of the Howard Colored Orphan Asylum in Brooklyn. “Our race, we think, is depressed enough, without exhibiting one of us with the apes,” Mr. Gordon said. “We think we are worthy of
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I do agree receiving a ticket for it is kind of nutty.
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Bischoff
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This is what Ramirez looks like.
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DesertDragon
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| Bischoff wrote: | This is what Ramirez looks like.
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You can tell she is bigot by her looks. |
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Bischoff
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| Bigots are supposed to have a certain look now. |
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DesertDragon
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| Bischoff wrote: | | Bigots are supposed to have a certain look now. |
Usually you can tell by their body langauge or face langauge. Yes their is a certian look of bigiots. |
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Bischoff
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| So do you have bigotdar ? The same way many people have gaydar. |
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fwsweet
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| Bischoff wrote: | | So do you have bigotdar ? The same way many people have gaydar. |
You guys are getting wierder and wierder. (This is not an administrative warning. It is just one spectator's observation.) |
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anonymouse
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| Bischoff wrote: | | So do you have bigotdar ? The same way many people have gaydar. |
bigotdar
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Andrew Waters
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Anonymouse said:
''in this country with its long history of the majority abusing its racial minorities, especially those of African descent any hint of things returning to the good-old-days-when-darkies-knew-their-place should be nipped at the bud without delay.''
I don't see this as a returning to anything of the kind even if it is a hint as you say. And I'm puzzled as to why you saw fit to drag out a picture nearly 102 years old when it's evident the racial climate permitted this type activity.
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BlueDreams
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I think they both overreacted. The kids weren't going to hurt the tree by climbing it and there wasn't any need to have them stop playing (not that I haven't known neighbors to be anal about these sort of things in the suburbs. Our's had one neighbor fined becase they didn't like their small lion statue). And the mother overreacted by assuming the worse.
But then again this is from a person who calls half of her brothers 'monkey' so often that they answer to it as if it were their names along with its shortened version of 'monk'. If you met these kids it would take you all of five seconds to realize why I'd call them this....especially if their ring leader was their.
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anonymouse
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| Andrew Waters wrote: | Anonymouse said:
''in this country with its long history of the majority abusing its racial minorities, especially those of African descent any hint of things returning to the good-old-days-when-darkies-knew-their-place should be nipped at the bud without delay.''
I don't see this as a returning to anything of the kind even if it is a hint as you say. And I'm puzzled as to why you saw fit to drag out a picture nearly 102 years old when it's evident the racial climate permitted this type activity. |
That was just the most convenient example at hand. The comparison of black people and/or AA to animals in this country is not just limited to the history books. And believe it or not many blacks/AAs are still hypersensitive to such issues.
When my son was 6 years old (he just turned 11 so this was 5 years ago) he attended predominately white religious summer daycamp near Olney, MD. One day a particularly malicious little white kid called him monkey boy. Where did this little boy learn this? Probably at home but we will never really know. Now kids are kids and others chimed in and kept repeating the chant. My son did not quite understand why it happened but he knew on some level that something was not right about it and told the counselor. This was his first real exposure to race relations in America. 6 friggin years old and his innocence was gone.
His mother called me as soon as she found out nearly in tears. She did not have any experience with this as she did not come to this country until she was 18 years old and grew up in a country where blacks are the majority. She was at a loss. She was so upset and kept repeating, "We have a right to enroll our child there. They have no right to do this." After calming her down, we talked to the counselor as well as the camp officials and in no uncertain terms let them know that such behaviour was unacceptable. They talked to the child's chagrined parents and we never had that problem again
But I know that my son remembered it for a long time after that. And that was just about the time he stopped referring to people as "pink" "brown" or "beige" and started using "white" or "black".
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DesertDragon
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| Bischoff wrote: | | So do you have bigotdar ? The same way many people have gaydar. |
You could say that, but some how I can tell |
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