When my husband and i lived for a time in Nashville Tennessee we became friends with 2 brothers that owned a company together and did business with my husband. When the brothers were very young their parents split up, both their father and mother were white but after the divorce their father married a black woman and the mother married another white guy. One brother went to live (and was raised) with his father and his new step mother in a predominatly black neighborhood he went to a predominatly black school and growing up all of his friends were black. the other brother stayed with his mother and lived in what was known as the white side of town. The brothers remained close despite there general seperation but the brother who was raised by his father and grew up on the "black" side of town only liked and only dated black women and was married 2 times both times to woman of mostly african ancestry and the brother who grew up on the "white" side of town had dated both but was particular to white women. Also i lived in Alaska for many years i remember one white guy i had become friends with, when he found out i was from the lower 48 (that's what Alaskans call the continental united states) wanted to know if i had any black girlfriends from down there who were going to come up and visit me and to "put in a good word for him". My husband had a friend who once said "whenever a gorgeous black girl moves up here they always get snatched up before i even get a chance to say hello". (in Alaska for many years the only time most white men saw a black woman she was usually on TV or in a movie and for the most part portrayed as gorgeous confident and sexy, especially in the last 20 years). So in my personal experiences in life yes, many white men find black women attractive... sorry for the long boring post but i have insomnia tonight
I see what you mean, maybe that is why I never have been so attracted to black men because I grew up here in Sweden and have been around mostly white people all my life. Of course there are coloured people here also but I have never been interested inthe ones I have met, I have always been interested in the guys who look the opposite from me.
lol Naw that can't be the reasoning. Then there would never been any interracial mixing. If the reason is because a person would only be attracted to what they are used to seeing.
Do White guys prefer or even like Black women? No.
I think,even without and facts, stats ,it is easy to say ,that White guys do not prefer Black women....and that is okay. It is a racial thing.
Yeah your average White guy would not choose Naomi Campbell over say Scarlett Johansson for example because Scarlett's European facial features would be more pleasing to the eyes of your average European/European descendant male. That is why the majority of White men end up marrying White women.
Do White guys prefer or even like Black women? No.
I think,even without and facts, stats ,it is easy to say ,that White guys do not prefer Black women....and that is okay. It is a racial thing.
You made 2 very different questions and answered no to both
The first question "Do white guys prefer black women?" I would say no too
"Do white guys like black women?" Yes they do, all don't most probably don't but there are a lot of white men that like black women... We are having a conversation on the Lovings a white man with a black woman
Dolph Lundgren (he not technically white...he's Swedish)
Wow, I know quite a few Swedish Americans that you might want to inform, concerning their non-whiteness. Good luck.
That's the point, Dolph isn't American
My comment was a bit tongue n cheek, because this thread is really about black & white americans. The social relationships in other countries would be different.
I read an article in an Italian American magazine and they dealt with the differences and similarities of native Italian and American Italians. One of the differences in attractions of the opposite sex was 'breast size'. the poll they took said a larger number of Italian american men prefer medium to larger breast, whereas native Italian men polled to prefere medium to small breasts. Even to the point where a lot of the men in Italy saw large breasts as a bit freakish and hands off.
We've had discussion about this, and I believe that many people in their respective native countries see themselves as their motherland:French-France, Italian-Italy(and then more specifically according to what region), Irish-Ireland. Nigerian, Ethiopian etc etc Dolph is a Swede of Europe and his cultural identy and makeup would be a lot different from and American of Swedish ancestry.
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Posted: Thu 08 May 2008 18:17 Post subject:
G-Man wrote:
Some of these posters assume all black American women have attitudes and black women (or what they consider black) the world over are like black American women. You know how it is, white women are diverse in temperament and culture throughout the world, but black women are the same wherever you go.
Interestingly, my wife and I were watching something on VH1 that featured "New York," from the Flavor of Love and I Love New York series.
We seemmd to be in agreement on this: when you have men of any race (black men included) who do not like black women, it's probably because when they think of black women, a woman with New York's personality is probably what comes to mind - in other words, I think that she epitomizes what many men who are not attracted to black women think when they think of black women.
Ultimately, in terms of dating, New York's popularity may have had an adverse affect on black women.
Some of these posters assume all black American women have attitudes and black women (or what they consider black) the world over are like black American women. You know how it is, white women are diverse in temperament and culture throughout the world, but black women are the same wherever you go.
Interestingly, my wife and I were watching something on VH1 that featured "New York," from the Flavor of Love and I Love New York series.
We seemmd to be in agreement on this: when you have men of any race (black men included) who do not like black women, it's probably because when they think of black women, a woman with New York's personality is probably what comes to mind - in other words, I think that she epitomizes what many men who are not attracted to black women think when they think of black women.
Ultimately, in terms of dating, New York's popularity may have had an adverse affect on black women.
lol
Now how real the I Love NY series is I don't know (they brought her back a 2nd time with black and non black men 'wanting' her, so it couldn't have been that adverse
But again, I don't think I Love NY is 'real'
If people choose to see 'Tiffany' as the representative for black woman they have screws loose in the head. So many other 'black' women who are on shows that the public sees that are positive and real good women and someone would rather focus on New York...
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Posted: Thu 08 May 2008 21:48 Post subject:
gemini072 wrote:
But again, I don't think I Love NY is 'real'
I think it's real in the sense that NY is a total b*tch, and her chain of relationships will resemble that of Halle Berry's - i.e., every man she's with is going to whoop her a$$. Unlike Halle Berry's situation, it's not going to take four consecutive abusive relationships before the world starts looking at NY and wondering what she's doing to provoke her significant others.
But, I will agree with you in the sense that I love New York is fake, but mostly in the sense that I don't think any of those men really want to be with her. If they do, it would just be for the money. Other than that, these guys just want to be on TV. Honestly, if I was single, I'd try to get on the show, mostly because I see it as a game to be won.
I would never go out with New York in a million years. She is too loud, obnoxious, and acts way too ghetto for my tastes. I prefer women who acts more feminine and ladylike. That is why I could never see myself dating an African American woman from the innercity.
I would never go out with New York in a million years. She is too loud, obnoxious, and acts way too ghetto for my tastes. I prefer women who acts more feminine and ladylike. That is why I could never see myself dating an African American woman from the innercity.
How about a white woman from the inner city? Inner City doesn't mean the person is trashy... what is inner city anyway?
I think it's real in the sense that NY is a total b*tch, and her chain of relationships will resemble that of Halle Berry's - i.e., every man she's with is going to whoop her a$$. Unlike Halle Berry's situation, it's not going to take four consecutive abusive relationships before the world starts looking at NY and wondering what she's doing to provoke her significant others.
But, I will agree with you in the sense that I love New York is fake, but mostly in the sense that I don't think any of those men really want to be with her. If they do, it would just be for the money. Other than that, these guys just want to be on TV. Honestly, if I was single, I'd try to get on the show, mostly because I see it as a game to be won.
I think it's fake as in everyone is acting.
Too many scenes that just weren't natural.
New York herself was doing some acting parts as well as on Nip Tuck I believe
I've seen a few of those guys on other reality shows
I think what Bischoff is saying (and I agree with him) is that there is a certain stereotype about AA women from the "hood/ghetto/innercity". Just like there are stereotypes about low-income, poor white women who live in trailers or tenement slums.
"Inner city" connotes the ghetto, the hood, an urban area. Places in Miami, Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, and LA come to mind.
It isn't necessarily bad but sometimes stereotypes contain an element of truth. Most men of all races from a decent environment would prefer to be with a person (no matter what her race or ethnicity) who is educated, ambitious, hard-working, and classy. Most men like softspoken women who know how to conduct themselves appropriately. It has nothing to do with how much money a person has (Paris Hilton, anyone?) but their environment definitely plays a role.
Bischoff's comment is similar to what I've heard other men say. The reason he specifically said he would never date an AA woman from the "hood" is because the discussion centers around white men and black women. That is one undesirable trait that he observes in a number of Black American women who happen to be from certain areas. It might be a bit of a broad statement, but it isn't entirely unfair. I don't have the feeling that he would date a trashy white woman either based on his preference for ladylike behavior.
I live in a city that is filled with trashy white, black, and Latina women. What most of them have in common is the fact that they live in stereotypical "ghetto" areas. It is obvious in their behavior and how they carry themselves.
I think what Bischoff is saying (and I agree with him) is that there is a certain stereotype about AA women from the "hood/ghetto/innercity". Just like there are stereotypes about low-income, poor white women who live in trailers or tenement slums.
"Inner city" connotes the ghetto, the hood, an urban area. Places in Miami, Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, and LA come to mind.
I hear you I know what it means but it means something different for everyone. One of the statements at this group is to teach and learn. One thing that always irks me is that use of Inner City. Where specifically is the inner city. If I say NYC, Manhatten is the Inner City. is that ghetto trailer park or trashy? Park Avenue is in the Inner City of NY as well.
I just believe in challenging these narrow or broad ideas that really don't make sense. Where I live the news broadcasters use that term but the inner city only residents are middle class - upper class, college students. The 'ghetto' part that a crime happened isn't even in the inner city.
I understand that inner city is a pc way of saying ghetto
It isn't necessarily bad
Yeah it really is bad, and it paints everyone who happens to live in the inner city oops ghetto in a bad dangerous light.
but sometimes stereotypes contain an element of truth. Most men of all races from a decent environment would prefer to be with a person (no matter what her race or ethnicity) who is educated, ambitious, hard-working, and classy.
Depends on what you mean by be with. If he is looking for sex (decent environment upper class politician educated) he does not care about what neighborhood she grew up in and how much money her father makes. From what I've seen men from descent environments go to other environments to do their dirt (Because no one knows them in that environment)
Most men like softspoken women who know how to conduct themselves appropriately. It has nothing to do with how much money a person has (Paris Hilton, anyone?) but their environment definitely plays a role.
You don't think a lot of guys of any environment would date or hook up with Paris Hilton? I may not but a lot of guys would.
If we are only talking about marrying, I would definately agree with most of what your saying. But men are a bit more complex than that.
I think it was comedian Sinbad that said a woman would never date a man working at McDonalds flipping fries but a man would date a woman working at McDonalds flipping fries because all men want to know is is she fine.
Bischoff's comment is similar to what I've heard other men say. The reason he specifically said he would never date an AA woman from the "hood" is because the discussion centers around white men and black women.
The reason I say its a very broad tarbrushing of people who may come from those backgrounds. (most people can't choose their parents) Is that there are many people who while in those environments made something of themselves. Everyone famous and rich and successful didn't start off that way nor came from good class environments.
That is one undesirable trait that he observes in a number of Black American women who happen to be from certain areas. It might be a bit of a broad statement, but it isn't entirely unfair. I don't have the feeling that he would date a trashy white woman either based on his preference for ladylike behavior.
now, If that show I Luv NY is real, and those guys are really interested in her? Then that is a contradiction. That's been 2 show full of men interested in her. And a lot of them seemed to be well put together.
I live in a city that is filled with trashy white, black, and Latina women. What most of them have in common is the fact that they live in stereotypical "ghetto" areas. It is obvious in their behavior and how they carry themselves.
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Posted: Sat 10 May 2008 21:31 Post subject:
Bischoff wrote:
I would never go out with New York in a million years. She is too loud, obnoxious, and acts way too ghetto for my tastes. I prefer women who acts more feminine and ladylike. That is why I could never see myself dating an African American woman from the innercity.
Well, I've dated "African American women from the innercity," many times - at least the ones who grew up there, and made something of themselves later. New York is a VERY extreme example, which was why my wife and I made the comment of how she "epitomizes" what many men who are not attracted to black women seem to think that that's what black women are like.
As I understand it, New York is from Utica - so she's not exactly from the "inner city."
I'm sure lots of guys would HOOK UP with Paris Hilton, Ty.
Would they want a relationship with her? Nope!
So basically what I think Bischoff is saying is that he likes DECENT women...not trash. Like it or not, that's what comes to most people's minds when they think of a woman who had the misfortune of coming from the ghetto, a trailer park, or a "disadvantaged background" to put it nicely.
Coming from that type of environment doesn't always make the person, as Richard said. However, most of the time it does, from what I've observed.
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Posted: Mon 12 May 2008 20:59 Post subject:
To be totally honest about Paris Hilton's looks, if she was just another chick from around the corner, she wouldn't exactly turn heads at the local night club.
Every man, whether he'll admit it or not, has "hooked up" with a woman from the local club or bar, who wasn't that good-looking, but out of a feeling of laziness or urgency at the time, approached the best looking woman that he knew would say "yes" right away. While Paris Hilton doesn't really look "all that" in my eyes, she does look like SOME effort will be required - needless to say, most of us have hooked up with worse.
My own father went slumming many times in his youth with women of all ethnicities...this resulted in a handful of illiegitimate children. I suppose there's something to what you and Ty are saying.
I would never go out with New York in a million years. She is too loud, obnoxious, and acts way too ghetto for my tastes. I prefer women who acts more feminine and ladylike. That is why I could never see myself dating an African American woman from the innercity.
Well, I've dated "African American women from the innercity," many times - at least the ones who grew up there, and made something of themselves later. New York is a VERY extreme example, which was why my wife and I made the comment of how she "epitomizes" what many men who are not attracted to black women seem to think that that's what black women are like.
As I understand it, New York is from Utica - so she's not exactly from the "inner city."
That's one of the reason I think the show is acting
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