I never posted a comment directly from Soledad herself stating that she considers her children black or that white people will consider them black.
The blog's owner stated...
Quote:
Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this?
I have no "proof" that this interview even took place. I've searched and searched and still haven't been able to locate the interview - or transcripts from it - online.
If and when I do, I''ll post it immediately.
However - in my mind - if a biracial person with a non black/ambigous appearance considers themselves black flat out, it's not a leap to assume they would have the same feeling towards their non black appearanced children.
Soledad has repeatedly stated she considers herself a "light-skinned black" girl with nappy hair. We have proof of that. If this is how she views herself, I suppose she feels it's sensible/logical to think of her children as "light-skinned black" children who happen to have straight hair, pale skin, blue eyes, caucasian features, etc...
Maybe that makes complete sense to her. I don't know. And it's not my business.
However, I do agree that if her husband has NO say in how his children are raised to identify themselves there is definitely a problem.
But again, we have no proof that he has a problem with any of this.
I never posted a comment directly from Soledad herself stating that she considers her children black or that white people will consider them black.
Zsana I think it's another case of mixed up posts, It seems most people are getting the 2 mixed up, so this post is a bit screwed up.
The blog's owner stated...
Quote:
Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this?
I have no "proof" that this interview even took place. I've searched and searched and still haven't been able to locate the interview - or transcripts from it - online.
If and when I do, I''ll post it immediately.
However - in my mind - if a biracial person with a non black/ambigous appearance considers themselves black flat out, it's not a leap to assume they would have the same feeling towards their non black appearanced children.
Again, that is coming from the mix up that Soledad said that. She didn't the black women in the interracial relationship(the post you slipped in) said it about her children(the picture you posted)
Soledad has repeatedly stated she considers herself a "light-skinned black" girl with nappy hair. We have proof of that. If this is how she views herself, I suppose she feels it's sensible/logical to think of her children as "light-skinned black" children who happen to have straight hair, pale skin, blue eyes, caucasian features, etc...
Maybe that makes complete sense to her. I don't know. And it's not my business.
I think we have all made it our business lol that's why there is a 3 page discussion... which has been mixed up. You might want to add other posts like that as a seperate discussion.
However, I do agree that if her husband has NO say in how his children are raised to identify themselves there is definitely a problem.
But again, we have no proof that he has a problem with any of this.
Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:26 Post subject: Re: Passing for Black
fwsweet wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
Soledad's did not say that.
Well, if it was not Soledad then I retract what I said. If the most recent photo above is of the woman who said this and her family, then she may well be right. Most Americans probably will see her kids as Black (at least unless they learn to cultivate a Spanish accent). If so, then it will be up to the kids to decide whether to adopt a dual heritage in defiance of U.S. society.
check out post: 998 (this is where the confusion came in)
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Hi everyone, need your input here. I have an ongoing discussion with my wife that was recently joined by CNN correspondent Soledad O’Brien. Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this?
Soledad with husband Brad Raymond... (wearing red headband)
Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:29 Post subject: Re: Passing for Black
lsgh2 wrote:
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Soledad's white husband must be a real wimp to allow this....Too many white liberals take the "blacks know best on race and I shouldn't think for myself" approach.
right.
This is like the 2nd or 3rd time you agreed to this. It is wrong. Soledad never said that.
Wrong, it was a couple Soledad interviewed.
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:33 Post subject: Re: Passing for Black
gemini072 wrote:
fwsweet wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
Soledad's did not say that.
Well, if it was not Soledad then I retract what I said. If the most recent photo above is of the woman who said this and her family, then she may well be right. Most Americans probably will see her kids as Black (at least unless they learn to cultivate a Spanish accent). If so, then it will be up to the kids to decide whether to adopt a dual heritage in defiance of U.S. society.
AD Powell wrote:You aren't confusing Soledad's very Euro, white kids with the obviously mulatto kids of the bog owner?
Gemini072 wrotecheck out post: 998 (this is where the confusion came in)
Quote:
Hi everyone, need your input here. I have an ongoing discussion with my wife that was recently joined by CNN correspondent Soledad O’Brien. Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this?
Soledad with husband Brad Raymond... (wearing red headband)
Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:50 Post subject: Re: Passing for Black
Powell wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
fwsweet wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
Soledad's did not say that.
Well, if it was not Soledad then I retract what I said. If the most recent photo above is of the woman who said this and her family, then she may well be right. Most Americans probably will see her kids as Black (at least unless they learn to cultivate a Spanish accent). If so, then it will be up to the kids to decide whether to adopt a dual heritage in defiance of U.S. society.
You aren't confusing Soledad's very Euro, white kids with the obviously mulatto kids of the bog owner?
Gemini072: No, I'm not, the group is, The post started about a doc Soledad is taking part in: Black in America
LSGH started the 'attack' on Soledad by saying 'She needs to stop/quit'
From there everyone started focusing on Soledad, not the documentary.
post 998 was interjected about an interview Soledad did with an interracial couple. The couple has the disagreement about the kids. It was the mother(black) who made the statements about how America will see the children. Soledad did not say those things about her children, that is where the confusion came in at. Somehow the group mingled both and that is why many are arguing that the kids are uterly European looking and that is why we are talking about Soledads husband and ancestry. We got it mixed up.
check out post: 998 (this is where the confusion came in)
Quote:
Hi everyone, need your input here. I have an ongoing discussion with my wife that was recently joined by CNN correspondent Soledad O’Brien. Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this?
Soledad with husband Brad Raymond... (wearing red headband)
I could have (and probably should have) started a NEW separate post about this blog I came across.
I only posted it because I considered it related to the original topic. The blog owner said he and his wife were interviewed by Soledad for the Black In America series on CNN so I posted it.
After posting the blog and the accompanying pics of Soledad, her husband, and her children, Salsassin stated...
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Soledad has right to identify as she wants and to raise her children as she wants, but her husband must be cuckolded if he doesn't have any input on how they identify. And her theory that they will only be seen as Black is utterly ridiculous.
As has been pointed out, it was the blog owners black wife's theory that HER children will only be seen as black. And Soledad herself has stated that HER mom agreed with and raised her children according to the same theory.
But I agree with Salsassin IF it is Soledad's theory (and we don't know if it is or not) that HER children will only be seen as black that is utterly ridiculous.
I stated...
Quote:
However - in my mind - if a biracial person with a non black/ambigous appearance considers themselves black flat out, it's not a leap to assume they would have the same feeling towards their non black appearanced children.
Gemini,
My statement isn't coming from the mix up. It's just a hunch, an opinion based on what I've read and personally noticed from other parents concerning the "racial" identity of their kids. It's been my experience that the self-identity of the non white parent MAY influence what they consider their children to "be".
Again, if a person of direct biracial ancestry feels a black identity is good enough for them, it wouldn't surprise me if they felt the same way concerning their children.
Anyone who's interested in starting another discussion related to Soledad know's that they're free to do so at any time.
I'd like to add I merely asked a question...
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Out of curiosity, are you referring to the part in the video where Soledad said she want's white people to think of her when they think of black people?
I have NO idea which specific part of the video lsgh2 was referring to when he stated...
I could have (and probably should have) started a NEW separate post about this blog I came across.
I only posted it because I considered it related to the original topic. The blog owner said he and his wife were interviewed by Soledad for this Black In America series on CNN so I posted it.
After posting the blog and the accompanying pics of Soledad, her husband, and her children, Salsassin stated...
Quote:
Soledad has right to identify as she wants and to raise her children as she wants, but her husband must be cuckolded if he doesn't have any input on how they identify. And her theory that they will only be seen as Black is utterly ridiculous.
As you pointed out, it was the blog owners black wife's theory that HER children will only be seen as black. And Soledad herself has stated that HER mom agreed with and raised her children according to the same theory.
But I agree with Salsassin IF it is Soledad's theory (and we don't know if it is or not) that HER children will only be seen as black that is utterly ridiculous.
Gemini072 Why should we continue along that line with Soledad, when we have an article in PC that she talks about raising her children multiracial and Melani & I have shared that idea. This article was actually posted by Zsana in Popular Culture
CNN's O'Brien embraces her own diversity
http://onedroprule.org/viewtopic.php?t=1168
I define myself as multiracial," she says. "Definitions are important to other people. They make no difference to my life."
I stated...
Quote:
However - in my mind - if a biracial person with a non black/ambigous appearance considers themselves black flat out, it's not a leap to assume they would have the same feeling towards their non black appearanced children.
Gemini,
My statement isn't coming from the mix up. It's just a hunch, an opinion based on what I've read and personally noticed from other parents concerning the "racial" identity of their kids. It's been my experience that the self-identity of the non white parent MAY influence what they consider their children to "be".
Well that is true in most cases. Soledad has never exclusively identified as Black anyway. But black & cuban.
Again, if a person of direct biracial ancestry feels a black identity is good enough for them, it wouldn't surprise me if they felt the same way concerning their children.
Anyone who's interested in starting another discussion related to Soledad know's that they're free to do so at any time.
I'd like to add I merely asked a question...
Quote:
Out of curiosity, are you referring to the part in the video where Soledad said she want's white people to think of her when they think of black people?
I have NO idea which specific part of the video lsgh2 was referring to when he stated...
Quote:
she needs to quit.
Gemini072Right, which is were the start of confusion took place. I don't know why he said it or what she said for him to reply like that. From there people started talking about Soledad and her identity.
We have a post in Pop. People on Soledad where she talks about having changed from a solely Black identity to a Multiracial identity and that she is raising her kids similarly.
This is why I continue to point out the group as a whole got mixed up ideas. A lot of the responses starting from LSGH instegation, has people scrutinizing Soledad, and are assuming she is saying her white looking children will be seen as Black. She didn't say that. the woman in the link you posted said it, concernig her biracial children, who don't look white/uterly white.
After the post 998 and AD comment about Nordic looking biracials
Jaime added another level of confusion to who we were talking about post which Zsana also pointed out3453 Salsassin
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Soledad has right to identify as she wants and to raise her children as she wants, but her husband must be cuckolded if he doesn't have any imput on how they identify. And her theory that they will only be seen as Black is utterly ridiculous.
From there others replied concerning Soledad, based on LSGH & Jaimes post
Salsassin wrote:
Her theory that they will only be seen as Black is utterly ridiculous.
FSweet: It is indeed. But I am sure that she(Soledad) takes it seriously. Many Americans of part African ancestry sincerely believe that everyone is born into their place in society, and that any thought of social mobility is somehow wicked betrayal. (this is about Soledad, not the women(black) in the link:Eventually, her children will discover that their mother's insistence (that they must self-identify as she orders, because White Americans see such fair-skinned blue-eyed blondes as being utterly Black) is a lie, pure and simple. How they will respond to the discovery that their own mother lied to them when they were growing up (and enforced her lies with punishment, I am sure) will depend on other factors. They may forgive it as well-intentioned.
She may well be delusional. She may sincerely see herself and her children as being of African appearance. Many Americans who are genetically European but ideologically African suffer from that very delusion. It seems to be a myth (in the the anthropological sense of a counterfactual but mandatory cultural belief) that they absorb in early childhood.
Soledads husband input had nothing to do with this but the (white)husband of the (black)wife Regarding her husband's input, he undoubtedly realizes that to challenge such a delusion would bring an avalanche of accusations of "racism" or worse down on his head. (See, for example, the Ford article in another thread.) If I were in his shoes I would keep my mouth shut too.
Melani disagreed as well as I did, that Soledad thinks this way.
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Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 17:49 Post subject:
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Hmm, I would like another source please.
then zsana posted the article that she thought the black & white man were the same and then MisterLawyer cleared it up that those were 2 different people.
Zsana followed through with FSweets post that the woman(Soledad) was delusional. Its Soledad that is being discussed because we are talking about someone with 'utterly white appearanced children' the woman in the side post does not have children that can be described that way.
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I agree with Frank when he says she'd have to be completely delusional to actually believe her utterly white appearanced children look black when a blind man can see that's a complete and utter lie.
However, maybe she thinks of them as "black" in a PURELY cultural/ethnic sense. Because IMHO "racially" speaking, in this post legally enforced ODR society, those kids would be considered, categorized as - and treated as - white/caucasian by "whites", "blacks" and others any and everywhere on this planet.
Especially her sons and her eldest daughter.
And all four of them possibly have lower levels of detectable African ancestry than many populations already considered white. Heck, it might not show up at all for all I know.
If I'm not mistaken, Frank mentioned in the past how a small percentage of African-American Identified people have apparently NO detectable African-Ancestry what so ever.
From there came the question about Soledads children being more comfortable around whites or blacks
Soledads husband being a wimp for letter her control their childrens identity:
more instegation from LSGH: like I said, "She Needs To Quit." [thanx 4 translating, Powell.]
AD Powell Quote:
Soledad's white husband must be a real wimp to allow this....Too many white liberals take the "blacks know best on race and I shouldn't think for myself" approach.
LSGH right.
ok, weew, I'm done.
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However - in my mind - if a biracial person with a non black/ambigous appearance considers themselves black flat out, it's not a leap to assume they would have the same feeling towards their non black appearanced children.
My statement isn't coming from the mix up. It's just a hunch, an opinion based on what I've read and personally noticed from other parents concerning the "racial" identity of their kids. It's been my experience that the self-identity of the non white parent MAY influence what they consider their children to "be".
In fact I know someone like this. She and her husband have raised their Eurasian-looking child as black. Her father is from China, but he was raised in Trinidad. Her mother is from Granada. Her husband is an American of Italian and Jewish background. This is puzzling to most people, especially in light of the fact that most people don't see her as a black woman and she embraced "blackness" after living in the U.S., but she believes it will be easier for her daughter if she is raised black.
zsana wrote:
Again, if a person of direct biracial ancestry feels a black identity is good enough for them, it wouldn't surprise me if they felt the same way concerning their children.
Shelby Steele and August Wilson are two famous examples.
Posted: Thu 24 Jul 2008 08:11 Post subject: This woman is a complete and utter idiot.
is she for real? i mean, what century is this woman living in? i can tell you from experience that many white peopleTODAY would think she's absolutely nuts for raising those WHITE children as black. raise them as multiracial or bi-racial but black? and her husband is an even bigger idiot for allowing this.
Posted: Thu 24 Jul 2008 13:07 Post subject: Re: This woman is a complete and utter idiot.
jagirl32 wrote:
is she for real? i mean, what century is this woman living in? i can tell you from experience that many white peopleTODAY would think she's absolutely nuts for raising those WHITE children as black. raise them as multiracial or bi-racial but black? and her husband is an even bigger idiot for allowing this.
I take it your responding to G-Man's post about the Eurasian child being raised black?
Soledad O'Brien talked about Black America and that was construcrtive, but then she started using the term race and that is destructive.
The term race is 1) a social construct that has no validity, 2) socially divisive, 3) scientifically wrong, and 4) a myth.
This country is ashamed of its past slavery and discrimination against people of African descent. If we are to atone for what has happened in the past and look to a bright future we must stop using the term race. I'm shocked that you and most journalists insist on using the term "race."
I have filled out many government forms where I am expected to check the box:
Race:
[ ] White/Caucasian
Aside from many objections to the use of race, some of which I repeat below, I am annoyed that I have to check off Caucasian when I had no idea what Caucasian means. Well, I got so irritated I looked it up and found out that (India) Indians are considered Caucasian. Hence, it now makes sense that a judge ruled that my roommate at Iowa State University was white. He is much darker than most black Americans. Therefore if I check this box the local, state, or federal governments really don't know whether my skin is light or dark. This is a good illustration of how absurd the whole nonsense surrounding the use of the term race is.
Some truth about "race" follows.
"Thus human beings of whatever nationality, "race," or creed are representatives of the species Homo sapiens, of the family Hominidae, of the genus Homo." Lancelot T. Hogben, F.R.S., p. 261, "Principles of Animal Biology," Christophers: London (1930). Please note the date and the quotes around race. Sean Carroll, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator recently confirmed ". . . this biological reality.".
The term race is a social construct that has no validity.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. has said that skin color is nothing more than a genetic
sunburn.
Spencer Wells on the PBS program "Journey of Man," made the excellent
statement, "The term race is socially divisive and scientifically wrong." I'm used to the fact that many journalists are often scientifically wrong. However, I have to speak out when they are socially divisive. I'm confident you don't want to be socially divisive, on the contrary, but the fact is you are unintentionally being socially divisive when you use the terms race and racism. I think we need to stop using the terms race and racism if we are to minimize skin color, ethnic, cultural, or geographic prejudice.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. wrote the book, "The Race Myth." He is absolutely correct.
I hate to remind you that racial dogmas were preached by The Eugenics Society back in the 1920's and were used to justify fascism.
The differences between whites and blacks is trivial compared to differences among whites or the differences among blacks.
The evidence is now clear that dating back roughly 50,000 years we all have ancestors who originated in Africa and thus we are all related.
To illustrate how ridiculous all this can get, Dr. Phil referred on the air to the Mexican race. A Mexican is a citizen of Mexico. I haven't heard anybody talk about the Canadian race, the Brazilian race, or the United States race.
I hope this helps clarify "race" issues. Hopefully you will use the word ethnicity instead of race or speak about skin color, nationality, culture, geographic location as is appropriate. Also, I hope you use prejudice/discrimination instead of racism.
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Soledad O'Brien talked about Black America and that was construcrtive, but then she started using the term race and that is destructive.
The term race is 1) a social construct that has no validity, 2) socially divisive, 3) scientifically wrong, and 4) a myth.
This country is ashamed of its past slavery and discrimination against people of African descent. If we are to atone for what has happened in the past and look to a bright future we must stop using the term race. I'm shocked that you and most journalists insist on using the term "race."
Who are you talking too Dr David? Soledad is not on this group list. But race is a fact of this society (and maybe some others) even if it is a social construct. Just by the fact that there was a government form that you were expected to check a race box, means it's real. I don't think she was being unrealistic in using the term race. When in America race still does matter.
I have filled out many government forms where I am expected to check the box:
Race:
[ ] White/Caucasian
Aside from many objections to the use of race, some of which I repeat below, I am annoyed that I have to check off Caucasian when I had no idea what Caucasian means. Well, I got so irritated I looked it up and found out that (India) Indians are considered Caucasian. Hence, it now makes sense that a judge ruled that my roommate at Iowa State University was white. He is much darker than most black Americans. Therefore if I check this box the local, state, or federal governments really don't know whether my skin is light or dark. This is a good illustration of how absurd the whole nonsense surrounding the use of the term race is.
Some truth about "race" follows.
"Thus human beings of whatever nationality, "race," or creed are representatives of the species Homo sapiens, of the family Hominidae, of the genus Homo." Lancelot T. Hogben, F.R.S., p. 261, "Principles of Animal Biology," Christophers: London (1930). Please note the date and the quotes around race. Sean Carroll, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator recently confirmed ". . . this biological reality.".
The term race is a social construct that has no validity.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. has said that skin color is nothing more than a genetic
sunburn.
Spencer Wells on the PBS program "Journey of Man," made the excellent
statement, "The term race is socially divisive and scientifically wrong." I'm used to the fact that many journalists are often scientifically wrong. However, I have to speak out when they are socially divisive. I'm confident you don't want to be socially divisive, on the contrary, but the fact is you are unintentionally being socially divisive when you use the terms race and racism. I think we need to stop using the terms race and racism if we are to minimize skin color, ethnic, cultural, or geographic prejudice.
Dr. Joseph L. Graves, Jr. wrote the book, "The Race Myth." He is absolutely correct.
I hate to remind you that racial dogmas were preached by The Eugenics Society back in the 1920's and were used to justify fascism.
The differences between whites and blacks is trivial compared to differences among whites or the differences among blacks.
The evidence is now clear that dating back roughly 50,000 years we all have ancestors who originated in Africa and thus we are all related.
To illustrate how ridiculous all this can get, Dr. Phil referred on the air to the Mexican race. A Mexican is a citizen of Mexico. I haven't heard anybody talk about the Canadian race, the Brazilian race, or the United States race.
I hope this helps clarify "race" issues. Hopefully you will use the word ethnicity instead of race or speak about skin color, nationality, culture, geographic location as is appropriate. Also, I hope you use prejudice/discrimination instead of racism.
Who are you talking too? Your reply sounds like your talking to Soledad?
Listen > Learn > Change > Grow > Share > Love > Live
I watched the show, it sucked IMO. During the commentary after the show, one of the cnn analysts(the black republican lady) asked soledad how she identifies her kids. She said that they're people of color. She also stated that some children of biracial/white parents look white and some look black.
Like so many one-drop-loving black-identified folks I've encountered, this is what she considers good mental health:
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I had a Great Great Aunt Josephine, and she, like many members of my father’s mother’s family were light enough to pass for white. Yet my great great aunt and her sisters and her nieces were vehement about their blackness. They would curse you out in an instant if you doubted who and what they were. They married the blackest men they could find. As did my father’s mother, explaining why the light-bright-and-almost-white lineage ended with him and his brothers.
Gee, were those husbands looking for the lightest women they could find? Why are those who embrace their European-American identity and phenotype denounced as "self-hating" while real self-haters like Aunt Josephine and her sisters are praised by blacks for "racial pride"?
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