The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Who one drops more blacks or whites? Goto page 1, 2  Next          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Racial Identity and The Multiracial Experience Author Message purpleberries Probationary Joined: 24 Sep 2008 {Posts: 8 } Posted: Sat 11 Oct 2008 23:13    Post subject: Who one drops more blacks or whites? Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. Back to top Famu Mentor Joined: 27 Sep 2007 {Posts: 282 } Posted: Sun 12 Oct 2008 01:55    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? purpleberries wrote: Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. I think the "dropping" is different between whites and blacks, and that they do it equally. So, for instance, a black person might say Halle Berry is biracial black because her dad is black, and Jada Pinkett Smith is black even though her mom is biracial. And Mariah Carey is still black, to black people. I think white people are less likely to continue calling someone black if they want to be called biracial, but in their minds, I think they still think of this person as black if they have stereotypical "black" looks. So, for example, Derek Jeter is "biracial" or even white, Tiger Woods is "black", Wentworth Miller is "biracial" or "white", and Halle Berry is "black". I hope that answers your question. Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5380 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Sun 12 Oct 2008 02:27    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? Famu wrote: I think white people are less likely ... It probably depends on the viewer's own ethnic background. An Anglo-American might see Berry as Black, but a "White" Puerto Rican or "White" Jamaican are likely to see her as mixed. Back to top Richard Miller Wizard Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 425 } Location: San Antonio, Texas Posted: Sun 12 Oct 2008 19:06    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? Famu wrote: I think the "dropping" is different between whites and blacks, and that they do it equally... ...I think white people are less likely to continue calling someone black if they want to be called biracial, but in their minds, I think they still think of this person as black if they have stereotypical "black" looks. That's besides the point - if someone ceases to call you "black" while continuing to think of you as "black" in their minds, then they are still respecting your wishes. And I think that I can speak for all mulattoes who identify as "mulatto" or "bi-racial" when I say that that's ALL we ask. Who we have issues with the most is going to depend on who respects our wishes. Back to top Richard Miller Wizard Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 425 } Location: San Antonio, Texas Posted: Mon 13 Oct 2008 14:36    Post subject: http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/348935/ Here's a poll that I made concerning who supports one-drop. Back to top Famu Mentor Joined: 27 Sep 2007 {Posts: 282 } Posted: Wed 15 Oct 2008 06:11    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? Richard Miller wrote: Famu wrote: I think the "dropping" is different between whites and blacks, and that they do it equally... ...I think white people are less likely to continue calling someone black if they want to be called biracial, but in their minds, I think they still think of this person as black if they have stereotypical "black" looks. That's besides the point - if someone ceases to call you "black" while continuing to think of you as "black" in their minds, then they are still respecting your wishes. And I think that I can speak for all mulattoes who identify as "mulatto" or "bi-racial" when I say that that's ALL we ask. Who we have issues with the most is going to depend on who respects our wishes. The point wasn't about what the people's internal thoughts are--the point was who "drops" more, and in my opinion, they drop the same. Quote: It probably depends on the viewer's own ethnic background. An Anglo-American might see Berry as Black, but a "White" Puerto Rican or "White" Jamaican are likely to see her as mixed. Sure. I don't really know--I'm only speaking from an American perspective. Back to top sir alcal New User Joined: 01 Sep 2008 {Posts: 30 } Location: italy Posted: Wed 15 Oct 2008 13:41    Post subject: Basing on my personal experience, i think blacks one drop more than whites. Likely that's because blacks have a stronger sense of community, but i am sure 100%. Back to top divana Experienced User Joined: 10 Aug 2006 {Posts: 119 } Location: Somewhere... Posted: Sun 19 Oct 2008 09:21    Post subject: Both do it equally. I don't find white and black Americans that different from each other as far as one-dropping. With other cultures, it depends... Back to top jagirl32 Experienced User Joined: 17 Jul 2007 {Posts: 125 } Posted: Thu 06 Nov 2008 05:22    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? Famu wrote: purpleberries wrote: Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. I think the "dropping" is different between whites and blacks, and that they do it equally. So, for instance, a black person might say Halle Berry is biracial black because her dad is black, and Jada Pinkett Smith is black even though her mom is biracial. And Mariah Carey is still black, to black people. I think white people are less likely to continue calling someone black if they want to be called biracial, but in their minds, I think they still think of this person as black if they have stereotypical "black" looks. So, for example, Derek Jeter is "biracial" or even white, Tiger Woods is "black", Wentworth Miller is "biracial" or "white", and Halle Berry is "black". I hope that answers your question. "And Mariah Carey is still black, to black people" are you serious? i've always heard them refere to her as mixed or multi racial. i can't believe that some blacks are still so damn ignorant. Back to top Drnjbmd Probationary Joined: 11 Mar 2007 {Posts: 8 } Location: Virginia Posted: Tue 09 Dec 2008 15:37    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? purpleberries wrote: Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. I seem to have the experience that people who identify as black seem to be fixated on who is black and who is not black. With more people starting to acknowledge their multiracial backgrounds, it has been my experience that people who identify as black seem to have a problem with this multiracial identification if they perceive that the individual may have a black ancestor. Whites seem to have less of a problem with multiculturalism on the surface than blacks but my guess is that the real answer is dependent on the individual and the region of the country. Folks in large metropolitan areas in the northeast have less of a problem and folks in rural south have more of a problem with multiculturalism on any level. Back to top msmochachina Regular User Joined: 03 Mar 2008 {Posts: 69 } Posted: Tue 09 Dec 2008 21:51    Post subject: In my experience In my little 20 years of life, i've never been one dropped by a White person, they usually know that I am mixed right off the bat, but they typically never guess with Black. I was even having a conversation about this topic with some black co workers of mine and they referred to the constitution as their "proof". Well...isn't it the constitution that also refers to a black person as 1/4th of a person (Please correct me if i'm wrong). Back to top Famu Mentor Joined: 27 Sep 2007 {Posts: 282 } Posted: Wed 10 Dec 2008 11:05    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? jagirl32 wrote: Famu wrote: purpleberries wrote: Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. I think the "dropping" is different between whites and blacks, and that they do it equally. So, for instance, a black person might say Halle Berry is biracial black because her dad is black, and Jada Pinkett Smith is black even though her mom is biracial. And Mariah Carey is still black, to black people. I think white people are less likely to continue calling someone black if they want to be called biracial, but in their minds, I think they still think of this person as black if they have stereotypical "black" looks. So, for example, Derek Jeter is "biracial" or even white, Tiger Woods is "black", Wentworth Miller is "biracial" or "white", and Halle Berry is "black". I hope that answers your question. "And Mariah Carey is still black, to black people" are you serious? i've always heard them refere to her as mixed or multi racial. i can't believe that some blacks are still so damn ignorant. Meh, I don't really see it as "ignorant". It's how people are raised. Many multiracial people/people with Mariah's same ancestry would call themselves (and Mariah) black. Back to top DChapman Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 1763 } Location: Hudson Valley, NY Posted: Wed 10 Dec 2008 23:26    Post subject: Re: In my experience msmochachina wrote: In my little 20 years of life, i've never been one dropped by a White person, they usually know that I am mixed right off the bat, but they typically never guess with Black. I was even having a conversation about this topic with some black co workers of mine and they referred to the constitution as their "proof". Well...isn't it the constitution that also refers to a black person as 1/4th of a person (Please correct me if i'm wrong). There isn't any place in the Constitution that refers to or defines a "black" person to be 1/4 of a person. Back to top Richard Miller Wizard Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 425 } Location: San Antonio, Texas Posted: Fri 12 Dec 2008 01:01    Post subject: Re: In my experience DChapman wrote: msmochachina wrote: In my little 20 years of life, i've never been one dropped by a White person, they usually know that I am mixed right off the bat, but they typically never guess with Black. I was even having a conversation about this topic with some black co workers of mine and they referred to the constitution as their "proof". Well...isn't it the constitution that also refers to a black person as 1/4th of a person (Please correct me if i'm wrong). There isn't any place in the Constitution that refers to or defines a "black" person to be 1/4 of a person. Such a law would be left up to the states anyway. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Fri 12 Dec 2008 13:36    Post subject: Re: In my experience DChapman wrote: msmochachina wrote: In my little 20 years of life, i've never been one dropped by a White person, they usually know that I am mixed right off the bat, but they typically never guess with Black. I was even having a conversation about this topic with some black co workers of mine and they referred to the constitution as their "proof". Well...isn't it the constitution that also refers to a black person as 1/4th of a person (Please correct me if i'm wrong). There isn't any place in the Constitution that refers to or defines a "black" person to be 1/4 of a person. A not uncommon misunderstanding of the Three-fifths Compromise. Back to top Powell Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 } Posted: Fri 12 Dec 2008 22:08    Post subject: Re: In my experience G-Man wrote: DChapman wrote: msmochachina wrote: In my little 20 years of life, i've never been one dropped by a White person, they usually know that I am mixed right off the bat, but they typically never guess with Black. I was even having a conversation about this topic with some black co workers of mine and they referred to the constitution as their "proof". Well...isn't it the constitution that also refers to a black person as 1/4th of a person (Please correct me if i'm wrong). There isn't any place in the Constitution that refers to or defines a "black" person to be 1/4 of a person. A not uncommon misunderstanding of the Three-fifths Compromise. I've noticed that black-identified people tend to believe that "one drop" or some kind of forced hypodescent is a federal law. Of course, even educated people who should know better spread this kind of misinformation. I saw Henry Louis Gates, Jr. on Book TV address the definition of "African American" that he uses in The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience. He claimed that he used the "U.S. government's definition" of "one drop." There is no such thing. http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=7571&SectionName=History Back to top curious New User Joined: 24 Sep 2008 {Posts: 18 } Posted: Sat 13 Dec 2008 18:07    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? That depends on which part of the world you are. It's a trick question purpleberries wrote: Something I've been pawning on these past few hours. A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? I was going to indulge but let me not be intrusive, others welcomed. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Sun 14 Dec 2008 14:05    Post subject: That presumes that the world embraces the ODR, something that is unique to the U.S. Unless people believe the U.S. is the world. Back to top fudgeola Probationary Joined: 14 Dec 2008 {Posts: 4 } Location: San Diego, CA. Posted: Mon 15 Dec 2008 11:30    Post subject: Re: Who one drops more blacks or whites? purpleberries wrote: A sincere question, who one drops more blacks or whites? Both equally. I think One Dropping is used as the rule rather than the exception. Back to top Powell Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 } Posted: Sun 21 Dec 2008 02:42    Post subject: Historically Enforced More by Blacks Than by Whites Frank's research has established that blacks enforce the "one drop rule" more than whites. Those who say that whites are equally guilty are merely speculating and have no real evidence to back up their argument. http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=46 Quote: Historically Enforced More by Blacks Than by Whites Except for one 50-year period of U.S. history, the one-drop rule has been believed more strongly and enforced more harshly by African-American political leaders than by White Americans. The exceptional period was the Jim Crow era of state-sponsored terrorism against its African-American citizens. During the Jim Crow period, which ended around 1965, the one-drop rule kept compassionate White families in line by legally exiling to Blackness any who defended Blacks against the terror. During this period, the one-drop rule was never legally applied in court to any family who self-identified as Black. It was used only against Whites. In all other periods, from the 1830s to today, the one-drop rule was and remains an instrument of intra-ethnic coercion by African American political leaders against those born into the African American community who wish to self-identify as something other than “Black” in adulthood. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Racial Identity and The Multiracial Experience All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group