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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 11:52 Post subject: Re: Obama the American President
gemini072 wrote:
wow
wooooaaaa
I got chills dudes & dudettes
Obama is President?
Maybe I'm speaking to soon
He is not just president, he got a mandate, about 52% of the popular vote (so far) and over 340 electoral votes.
McCain got ran over by a Semi.
I have to give it to McCain, he gave a good speech last night, that was gracious. McCain is a stand up guy.
I still can't believe it though. I was wrong, about my birth state, Ohio. I thought there was no way it would go to Obama...nor did I think Indiana would go.
I expect him to win North Carolina and lose Missouri...I'm sticking to that. I watched Foxnews most of last night as I loved seeing how depressed they all looks (even Juan Williams who claims to be an Obama supporter has always always been very critical of him...then again I'm pretty sure Juan supported Hillary in the primaries).
Some loser last night, besides McCain.
The Clintons!!
Hillary was likely fighting mad and I bet Bill was not home. The Dems are Obama's party now, he has completely routed the Clintons.
Clinton got more electoral votes than Obama, but he never got a majority of the vote, NEVER.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 13:13 Post subject: Re: Obama the American President
Dragon Horse wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
wow
wooooaaaa
I got chills dudes & dudettes
Obama is President?
Maybe I'm speaking to soon
He is not just president, he got a mandate, about 52% of the popular vote (so far) and over 340 electoral votes.
McCain got ran over by a Semi.
I have to give it to McCain, he gave a good speech last night, that was gracious. McCain is a stand up guy.
I still can't believe it though. I was wrong, about my birth state, Ohio. I thought there was no way it would go to Obama...nor did I think Indiana would go.
I expect him to win North Carolina and lose Missouri...I'm sticking to that. I watched Foxnews most of last night as I loved seeing how depressed they all looks (even Juan Williams who claims to be an Obama supporter has always always been very critical of him...then again I'm pretty sure Juan supported Hillary in the primaries).
Some loser last night, besides McCain.
The Clintons!!
Hillary was likely fighting mad and I bet Bill was not home. The Dems are Obama's party now, he has completely routed the Clintons.
Clinton got more electoral votes than Obama, but he never got a majority of the vote, NEVER.
Obama out did a white Southern WASP!
The one good thing is that this puts an end to the prospect of having a Hillary presidency.
Let's see in a year how things are going before anyone proposes for him to be added to Mount Rushmore.
I'm just glad I stuck to my guns to oppose a man because of philosophy, not support him because of "race". That shows I judge on the content of character, not the colour of skin.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 13:52 Post subject:
Well Obama over-performed. I never thought he would win the majority of the popular vote (something Bill Clinton never did) or win Ohio and Indiana (not that I thought those states would matter more than for nice cushion). When Reagan beat Carter he got over 400 electoral votes but only about 51% of the popular vote, so what Obama did last night was quite significant. Here are exit polling data on who voted. I honestly still can’t believe it. If you told me a half black liberal with an African father and a Muslim name was going to be president of the U.S. in 2004 I would have thought you were either joking or mad. I expected to see a black president in my life time, but I thought it would be more Colin Powellesque…only in America (and I say that with appreciation).
Obama has completely consolidated his power in the Democratic Party (well one can argue he did that with the nomination, but he sealed the deal)…the party is no longer a Clinton Machine and Hillary won’t be running in 2012. The DLC (Clinton wing of blue dogs) will be further marginalized. Obama did not even speak before them this year. Somehow I expect a better female candidate (without as much baggage) to come a long in the next 20 years (hopefully not Palin hehe).
I'm interested to know what Frank thinks about this election...seriously.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 14:31 Post subject:
I should add, that Obama got about as much of the white vote as Clinton did in1996, if Wiki is too be believed.
No Democrat has won a majority of the white vote since before Kennedy.
So, I would equate his wins as more similar to Reagan than Clinton. Clinton would not have won at all in 1992, if not for Ross Perot...and in 1996, he was an incumbent but still could not win a majority of the popular vote.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 17:02 Post subject:
You know, my father said he thought a "pure black man" would be elected before someone like Obama because Obama is obviously the product of miscegenation between blacks and whites, which has happened since before America was a country but was always taboo, especially in a marriage situation.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 17:18 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
You know, my father said he thought a "pure black man" would be elected before someone like Obama because Obama is obviously the product of miscegenation between blacks and whites, which has happened since before America was a country but was always taboo, especially in a marriage situation.
Part of the appeal of Obama is that he was not raised in the Continential US, around Blacks and had a White mom with strong ties to Middle America (Kansas).
Once again, a mulatto does it (achives a first) and Blacks get to take credit, lol.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 17:44 Post subject:
DChapman wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
You know, my father said he thought a "pure black man" would be elected before someone like Obama because Obama is obviously the product of miscegenation between blacks and whites, which has happened since before America was a country but was always taboo, especially in a marriage situation.
"Pure Black Man" as in what???
As in "two identifying black parents"
I put it in quotations because there is obviously not a "pure black" in America, other than an African immigrant...possibly...this was my father's language, not mine...this is my interpretation of what he said anyway.
I think my father also was refering to African AMericans (as a cultural grouping) specifically but I'm not sure.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 17:47 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
Please!
Part of the appeal of Obama is that he was not raised in the Continential US, around Blacks and had a White mom with strong ties to Middle America (Kansas).
Once again, a mulatto does it (achives a first) and Blacks get to take credit, lol.
Blacks are not claiming anything, Obama is black, as he states clearly he is a "black man". He said this in his book, and several times in public.
He even explained why:
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Obama, for his part, settled this debate some time ago. "If I'm outside your building trying to catch a cab," he told Charlie Rose, "they're not saying, 'Oh, there's a mixed race guy.'"
In this book he also said in high school he decided to identify as black and stop telling people his mother was white because he did not want to appear to "ingratiate" himself to whites and that also people saw him as black. His mother also told him he was a "black man".
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3.3.11. black — The word “black” has different meanings that are easily confused. Readers often misunderstand which meaning was intended by the writer, especially since many readers are not native speakers of U.S. English. For example, each of the following sentences uses the word to mean something different: “Black neighborhood traditions center on Protestant churches.” “Many Brazilians have Black ancestry.” “The untouchables of India are Black.” “Australian Aborigines self-identify as Black.” “Walter White was actually Black even though he looked White.” “Black people around the world, especially in Asia and the Middle East, were exploited and oppressed by European conquest and colonization.”
Two usages are particularly confusing: African-American and Sub-Saharan. Most usages of “Black” on this site refer to the African-American ethnic community as in, “Black neighborhood traditions center on Protestant churches.” To avoid ambiguity use “African American” instead (or A-A for short). Another usage denotes someone of apparently African phenotype or ancestry. As in, “Many Brazilians have Black ancestry.” To avoid ambiguity use “sub-Saharan ancestry” instead (or SSA for short). The two usages of “Black” in combination make your text virtually unintelligible. If you write, for example “Black neighborhood traditions center on Protestant churches and most Brazilians have Black ancestry, ” no one will be able to decipher what you mean. The first clause uses “Black” to mean “African American” (since the vast majority of Brazilians are Catholics), but the second then suggests that most Brazilians have African-American ancestors (obviously a false statement). But if the reader assumes that “Black” means “sub-Saharan,” then the second clause makes sense (most Brazilians really do have some sub-Saharan ancestry) but the first clause is obviously false, since Protestant church-centered neighborhoods are unique to North America. And so, always avoid using “Black,” rather than the site-recommended terms, “African-American (A-A)” or “Sub-Saharan (SSA)” unless you make very clear which meaning you intended. Never strive for deliberate ambiguity. Never refuse to clarify which meaning you intended. And never insist, for example, that Australian Aborigines are “Black” in the same sense that Walter White was “Black.”
He is a "self identified black man".
Are you criticizing his choice?
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2.6 Do not criticize anyone’s choice of ethnic or “racial” self-identity. — If you disagree with someone’s choice of ethnic or “racial” self-identity, keep it to yourself. This applies whether they are individuals or groups, and whether they are site members or not.
Now, here's my proof as to why I called Obama a mulatto, mind you I never said that he called himself a mulatto, nor have I denigrated his identity choice. I do know that he calles himself 'Black', but that he also acknowlegees his White parent/grandmother.
BIOLOGICAL FACT: Obama had a White mother. This says nothing as to the certanity of his identity choice. However half of his chromosome and his birth was from a "White' female. Not all or even half of AAs can cite this as a matter of record. This means such an occurance is not the norm or 'un-usual' for AAs or 'Blacks'.
DEFINITION of the WORD MULATTO:
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mu⋅lat⋅to /məˈlætoʊ, -ˈlɑtoʊ, myu-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [muh-lat-oh, -lah-toh, myoo-] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, plural -toes, adjective
–noun 1. the offspring of one white parent and one black parent: not in technical use.
2. a person whose ancestry is a mixture of Negro and Caucasian.
–adjective 3. of a light-brown color.
P.S. I bet if Obama didn't go out of his way to distance himself from his mulatto heritage (IMO), 98% of AAs would not have voted for our first 'Black' President. By then again, may be they would have.
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 19:04 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
Nice try, let's see if they bite.
Now, here's my proof as to why I called Obama a mulatto, mind you I never said that he called himself a mulatto, nor have I denigrated his identity choice.
BIOLOGICAL FACT: Obama had a White mother. This says nothing as to the certanity of his identity choice. However half of his chromosome and his birth was from a "White' female. Not all or even half of AAs can cite this as a matter of record. This means it is not the norm or unusal.
DEFINITION of the WORD MULATTO:
Quote:
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
mu⋅lat⋅to /məˈlætoʊ, -ˈlɑtoʊ, myu-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [muh-lat-oh, -lah-toh, myoo-] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, plural -toes, adjective
–noun 1. the offspring of one white parent and one black parent: not in technical use.
2. a person whose ancestry is a mixture of Negro and Caucasian.
–adjective 3. of a light-brown color.
P.S. I bet if Obama didn't go out of his way to distance himself from his mulatto heritage (IMO), 98% of AAs would not have voted for our first 'Black' President. By then again, may be they would have.
Can you define "mulatto heritage"?
My definition of heritage is practices that are handed down from the past by tradition
His mixed racial heritage - both genetically and culturally is what I mean. Call it mulatto/mixed/multi-racial/half-caste/bi-racial, etc. Mulatto is just the specific term for Black-White mixtures. Hapas are for Hawaiian/White mixes, Mestizo for Indian/White, Eurasian for Asian/White mixes, etc.
If you want to know more about mulatto or mixed heritage, why just Google it or talk to a 'mixed' person. I am a mulatto and have a mulatto heritage as I have a parent that is Black and one that is White who have passed down their shared experiences and culture to me. They have helped to form the person that I am.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mulatto&btnG=Google+Search
Or are you just saying we mulattos are just 'Blacks' in denial and that we have no heritage, no people, no countries, no culture? Hmm?
But hey, that's how I feel about AMERICANS who deny our right to exist - legally. They say this by calling us out of our name and by denying our identity. So, I cannot be proud to be mulatto, but you can be proud to be Black? LOL!
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 19:19 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
His mixed racial heritage - both genetically and culturally is what I mean. Call it mulatto/mixed/multi-racial/half-caste/bi-racial, etc. Mulatto is just the specific term for Black-White mixtures. Hapas are for Hawaiian/White mixes, Mestizo for Indian/White, Eurasian for Asian/White mixes, etc.
If you want to know more about mulatto or mixed heritage, why just Google it or talk to a 'mixed' person. I am a mulatto and have a mulatto heritage as I have a parent that is Black and one that is White who have passed down their shared experiences and culture to me. They have helped to form the person that I am.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mulatto&btnG=Google+Search
Or are you just saying we mulattos are just 'Blacks' in denial and that we have no heritage, no people, no countries, no culture? Hmm?
So you are saying genetic heratige?
There are "mulatto" countries from a biological perspective, yes, but Obama shares what heritage with them exactly? You mentioned more than biological.
What "mulatto" heritage did Barack Obama's father pass down to him? Or what "black heritage"? He did not grow up with his father and met him once.
So are you saying he passed his heritage in the form of genes? You said shared experience and culture as well so what "heritage" did Obama learn from his father as a child?
Do all black people share Obama's father's heritage? If not, then how is this "black heritage" and what is "black heritage"?
If a black Latino woman married a white Ashkenzi Jew would their child also share mulatto heritage with Obama? As in what?
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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 19:22 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
But hey, that's how I feel about AMERICANS who deny our right to exist - legally. They say this by calling us out of our name and by denying our identity. So, I cannot be proud to be mulatto, but you can be proud to be Black? LOL!
I never said or did this.
Who are you speaking about and what does that have to do with anything I said? Is his a plea for sympathy or a way to win an argument by emotional appeal?
Yes, I meant genetic heritage and culture, unless you agree that culturally Obama is 'White'? Even though he 'accepts' and proclaims an AA identity?
Questions as to his 'Mulattohood' -
Who raised him?
Whose values does he have and where did he get them?
What might a DNA test say?
Who gave birth to him?
What women did he go and see recently before she died? What did she mean to him? Who was she and what was her identity?
What does Kansas mean to Obama?
Why does this African American have White people on the cover and inside his book (DOMF)?
P.S. Second part was rhetorical, I know you didn't say that but to infer I am making an 'emotional' appeal? Hmmm, why say that unless you think its because I am female or because I am of 'Black' heritage, lol?
(Why do men think they can win an arguement with a woman.....)
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