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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2005 16:34    Post subject: BLACK FIVES Reply with quote



http://www.blackfives.com

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Just after basketball was invented in 1891, teams were called "fives" in reference to their five starting players. Basketball, like American society, was racially segregated. Teams made up entirely of black players were known as BLACK FIVESŪ. The sport remained segregated from 1891 until the integration of the National Basketball Association in 1950. The period in between became known as the BLACK FIVESŪ Era as dozens of amateur, semi-pro, and professional all-black teams- sponsored by or affiliated with churches, businesses, social clubs, colleges, and "Colored" YMCAs-emerged, flourished, and matured, decades before the NBA was even born.
Every game was a great social event, accompanied by a full orchestra or band with dancing afterwards well past midnight. Although there was never a black professional basketball league like baseball had, independent BLACK FIVESŪ played within a well-organized nationwide barnstorming circuit and commanded national attention in the Negro press while battling for the annual right to be called "Colored Basketball World's Champions."


The resemblance between the late Edwin "Teddy" Horne and his legendary daughter is unmistakable...


http://www.blackfives.com/gallery.php?id=horne



http://www.classicmoviemusicals.com/horne.htm


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2005 17:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edwin Henderson

http://www.blackfives.com/gallery.php?id=henderson
http://www.tinnerhill.org/main.php?page=ebhenderson


Paul Robeson


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/robeson_p.html
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2005 20:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this may be slightly off topic but I love seeing old Black and White photos ( "African-Americans" ones mostly)! I found this site about a Georgian school which has some of the same beautiful pictures. I'm shocked just how many there are!

http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/HTML/Portraits20.htm
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 18:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great site girlfromthenc!

I also enjoy viewing black and white photos. It's like glimpsing into the past... You look at the models (and aren't they all beautiful and dignified) and wonder what kind of lives they lived. What their own personal stories were...

I had seen some of those photographs before at Creole oriented sites. Specifically, the ones featuring mulatto/quadroon/octoroon models.

For instance, the photograph below can also be found at
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/what.html


I seriously doubt the mixed race (and in some cases obviously predominently white) subjects included at the site you posted, would consider themselves "black"/African-American if they were alive today. Some certainly would perhaps, but I bet just as many - if not more -would not. Many, would probably consider themselves to be of a seperate group altogether (as many of them probably did in their time) different from both "blacks" AND "whites".

I'm not trying to be argumentative or nitpick, it's just an obvious visual observation that I can't overlook.

For instance...

http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/437paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/410paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/228paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/177paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/417paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/422paris.jpg

If their African-ancestry was known in a certain community, I'm sure they experienced bigotry and suffered discrimination. But still, I can't help feeling their lives were significantly different (and easier) than the Americans of obvious African lineage. The without a doubt blacks.

http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/112paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/355paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/113paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/322paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/414paris.jpg
http://129.171.53.1/ep/Paris/Assets/Pics%20High%20Res/Portraits/444paris.jpg

Thank you again for sharing this site girlfromthenc. I thourgly enjoyed it. The portraits are absolutely gorgeous...

Felicia
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're very welcome!

Curious though, why a Creole site would try to pass off children from a Georgia school off as Creole. I've heard of Creole communities being in Lousiana and Texas (maybe some families even in California) but NEVER Georgia. I'm beganing to suspect that they "found" pictures of mixed looking people and posted them as "Creoles" and/or decided to use some of these pictures as examples of how a Creole might have looked at the time!


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

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used some of these pictures as examples of how a Creole might have looked at the time!


This is indeed possible since Creoles of color looked (and many still do look) identical to the mixed race people photographed at the site you posted.

Difference is, instead of their being French admixture, it could be Irish, English, German, etc...

Regardless, you're still talking about phenotypically white/"latin" looking Americans of white/black and white/black/native-american ancestry.
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

girlfromthenc wrote:
I've heard of Creole communities being in Lousiana and Texas (maybe some families even in California) but NEVER Georgia.

That is a very interesting point.

As girlfromthenc implies, when the Gulf Coast (Louisana, Alabama) Creole community was destroyed by the Jim Crow wave of terror, many gens de couleur libre families fled to California, where the older ones still try to maintain their ancient culture (despite younger generations' apathy). Is it possible that some families fled to Georgia?

Marion Ferreira used to skim this forum now and then. If she is reading this perhaps she could shed some light.


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 20:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

girlfromthenc wrote:
Curious though, why a Creole site would try to pass off children from a Georgia school off as Creole.


It appears that all these beautiful photographs are not, actually, of people from a Georgia school. I recognized this one, for instance, as that of someone from upstate New York (a branch of my family connects with a branch of his). He was on page 25 - Sgt. John Denny.

Curious indeed. However, they are truly wonderful photos - thanks so much for sharing the link! (One of the subjects looked almost exactly like my grandmother! Very Happy )
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2005 20:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polimom wrote:
girlfromthenc wrote:
Curious though, why a Creole site would try to pass off children from a Georgia school off as Creole.


It appears that all these beautiful photographs are not, actually, of people from a Georgia school. I recognized this one, for instance, as that of someone from upstate New York (a branch of my family connects with a branch of his). He was on page 25 - Sgt. John Denny.


It looks like there's been a lot of "borrowing".
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