The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Improving U.S. Society Author Message Dragon Horse SuperMentor Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 17:14    Post subject: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/19/al-qaeda-no-2-calls-obama_n_144827.html Quote: In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect _ along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice _ "house negroes." Speaking in Arabic, al-Zawahri uses the term "abeed al-beit," which literally translates as "house slaves." But al-Qaida supplied English subtitles of his speech that included the translation as "house negroes." The message also includes old footage of speeches by Malcolm X in which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked in their white masters' house were more servile than those who worked in the fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticize black leaders he accused of not standing up to whites. In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the latest message was just "more despicable comments from a terrorist." The 11-minute 23-second video features the audio message by al-Zawahri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including one of Obama wearing a Jewish skullcap as he meets with Jewish leaders. In his speech, al-Zawahri refers to a Nov. 5 U.S. airstrike attack in Afghanistan, meaning the video was made after that date. Back to top Melani23 Superuser Joined: 30 Aug 2005 {Posts: 1193 } Location: USA Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 17:29    Post subject: Good! And I bet he is every bit as crazy as he looks. The thug terrorists are acting true to form. Let's hope the MSM gets this and publicizes it far and wide. This isn't really an insult to Obama as he is NOT the descendant of slaves here (1st generation Kenyan), but this is a jab at the so-called 'imperialist' and 'great white satan' aka the USofA. Let's also hope more of these ME/rouge nation states continue in this vein. Why? It further proves how intolerant, hateful, and crazy these peope really are. Hopefully, they will not be seen as 'freedom fighters' by their own people, but for the scum of the Earth they trully are in their actions of beheading, bombing, kidnapping, and murdering innocent people, including their own countrymen. Maybe some eyes will be opened here in America to show them that, to the rest of the world, AAs are AMERICANS FIRST! Last edited by Melani23 on Wed 19 Nov 2008 18:31; edited 1 time in total Back to top Dragon Horse SuperMentor Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 17:51    Post subject: Melani23 wrote: Good! And I bet he is every bit as crazy as he looks. The thug terrorists are acting true to form. Let's hope the MSM gets this and publicizes it far and wide. This isn't really an insult to Obama as he is NOT the descendant of slaves here (1st generation Kenyan), but this is a jab at the so-called 'imperialist' and 'great white satan' aka the USofA. Let's also hope more of these ME/rouge nation states continue in this vein. Why? It further proves how intolerant, hateful, and crazy these peope really are. Hopefully, they will not be seen as 'freedom fighters' by their own people, but for the scum of the Earth they trully are in their actions of beheading, bombimg, kidnaping, and murdering innocent people. Maybe some eyes will be opened here in America to show them that, to the rest of the world, AAs are AMERICANS FIRST! Well I'm sure there are some black Americans who agree with him. Then to some Americans he is too black to be president. Lot of different kinds of crazy in the world. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 18:51    Post subject: Dragon Horse wrote: Well I'm sure there are some black Americans who agree with him. And they probably assume it's for the same reasons. Incidentally "abeed" if I'm not mistaken is used in many parts of the Arab world to refer to people of African descent. Back to top Melani23 Superuser Joined: 30 Aug 2005 {Posts: 1193 } Location: USA Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 19:37    Post subject: Yes, I've heard from certain Africans that other Africans call AAs 'Abeed' or 'Abid' - as in disgraceful, low class slave descendant. Back to top Dragon Horse SuperMentor Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 19:46    Post subject: Melani23 wrote: Yes, I've heard from certain Africans that other Africans call AAs 'Abeed' or 'Abid' - as in disgraceful, low class slave descendant. II believe in Nigeria or Ghana some folks refer to black Americans as "crop pickers". Arabs, at least in some areas, like in Sudan and Iraq (I know those for sure) often to call any black a "slave". They don't go by the one drop rule though, there are many "Arabs" in the Gulf Region who look like Obama...and are no considered black at all, obviously there are "Arabs" in Sudan who have as much a black phenotype as I do, but they are Arab due to family name, language, culture..etc. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Wed 19 Nov 2008 20:53    Post subject: Melani23 wrote: Yes, I've heard from certain Africans that other Africans call AAs 'Abeed' or 'Abid' - as in disgraceful, low class slave descendant. It's used by Arabs...A Malian acquaintance of mine told me she was called this in Algeria. According to Ayan Hirsi Ali, in her book "Infidel," when she was going to school in Saudi Arabia the locals would call her and other Somalis abeed. It literally means slave. I suppose it could signify the contempt al-Zawahri has for Obama because of his alleged views on the ME and the Muslim World AND his skin tone.....I wonder if al-Zawahri would have called McCain a house servant? Back to top Powell Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 } Posted: Thu 20 Nov 2008 05:42    Post subject: Abid G-Man wrote: Melani23 wrote: Yes, I've heard from certain Africans that other Africans call AAs 'Abeed' or 'Abid' - as in disgraceful, low class slave descendant. 8) It's used by Arabs...A Malian acquaintance of mine told me she was called this in Algeria. According to Ayan Hirsi Ali, in her book "Infidel," when she was going to school in Saudi Arabia the locals would call her and other Somalis abeed. It literally means slave. I suppose it could signify the contempt al-Zawahri has for Obama because of his alleged views on the ME and the Muslim World AND his skin tone.....I wonder if al-Zawahri would have called McCain a house servant? A friend of mine was married to a Somali whose family lived in Saudi Arabia. He told her that anyone with a Sub-Saharan phenotype was routinely called "abid" or "slave." This is a legacy of the Arab slave raids and trading in Africa that have gone on for centuries. Back to top bigben Probationary Joined: 05 Oct 2008 {Posts: 5 } Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 00:23    Post subject: Re: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro Rather odd response considering how arabs have a rich cultural background and intermixing with various african peoples. Dragon Horse wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/19/al-qaeda-no-2-calls-obama_n_144827.html Quote: In al-Qaida's first response to Obama's victory, al-Zawahri also called the president-elect _ along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice _ "house negroes." Speaking in Arabic, al-Zawahri uses the term "abeed al-beit," which literally translates as "house slaves." But al-Qaida supplied English subtitles of his speech that included the translation as "house negroes." The message also includes old footage of speeches by Malcolm X in which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked in their white masters' house were more servile than those who worked in the fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticize black leaders he accused of not standing up to whites. In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the latest message was just "more despicable comments from a terrorist." The 11-minute 23-second video features the audio message by al-Zawahri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including one of Obama wearing a Jewish skullcap as he meets with Jewish leaders. In his speech, al-Zawahri refers to a Nov. 5 U.S. airstrike attack in Afghanistan, meaning the video was made after that date. Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5380 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 11:34    Post subject: Re: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro bigben wrote: Rather odd response considering how arabs have a rich cultural background and intermixing with various african peoples. I think the intent is to goad the Americans into reckless overreaction. Sometimes they miss. Terrorist leaders gain power by understanding what buttons to push in Muslims, not in Americans. Recall the mobs in Teheran at the height of the hostage crisis burning flags and chanting "Death to Mickey Mouse!" Back to top Powell Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 } Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 14:33    Post subject: Re: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro fwsweet wrote: bigben wrote: Rather odd response considering how arabs have a rich cultural background and intermixing with various african peoples. I think the intent is to goad the Americans into reckless overreaction. Sometimes they miss. Terrorist leaders gain power by understanding what buttons to push in Muslims, not in Americans. Recall the mobs in Teheran at the height of the hostage crisis burning flags and chanting "Death to Mickey Mouse!" I read a very good book called How to Think Like a Terrorist by former FBI undercover agent Mike German. He says that public statements by terrorists are usually aimed at the terrorists' "identity group" (the people they claim to represent). Al Qaeda is probably worried that Obama's unusual descent and color (for a U.S. president) are making too many Muslims rethink their image of the U.S. German also points out that terrorists' "victories" are only achieved if the target government foolishly overreacts, especially against the terrorists' identity community. Their aim is legitimacy within the identity community. They depend on overreaction to give them that. Back to top girlfromthenc Mentor Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 269 } Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 18:51    Post subject: Re: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro Powell wrote: fwsweet wrote: bigben wrote: Rather odd response considering how arabs have a rich cultural background and intermixing with various african peoples. I think the intent is to goad the Americans into reckless overreaction. Sometimes they miss. Terrorist leaders gain power by understanding what buttons to push in Muslims, not in Americans. Recall the mobs in Teheran at the height of the hostage crisis burning flags and chanting "Death to Mickey Mouse!" I read a very good book called How to Think Like a Terrorist by former FBI undercover agent Mike German. He says that public statements by terrorists are usually aimed at the terrorists' "identity group" (the people they claim to represent). Al Qaeda is probably worried that Obama's unusual descent and color (for a U.S. president) are making too many Muslims rethink their image of the U.S. German also points out that terrorists' "victories" are only achieved if the target government foolishly overreacts, especially against the terrorists' identity community. Their aim is legitimacy within the identity community. They depend on overreaction to give them that. I totally agree! I remember hearing a quote from Fidel Castro saying that Obama would never be president and that he was shocked anyone hadn't assassinated him yet! Even though Fidel Castro has always been perceived as a friend of 'black people' worldwide I still wondered how many Black people in Cuba he had at the positions of power as Obama or Ms Rice or Mr Powell. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 19:20    Post subject: Probably not many....Cuba is a police state basically run by a Communist Party dominated by the scions of better off white Cuban families. Incidentally, it's not unusual for the Cuban gov't to depict the U.S. as a hot bed of virulent racism. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Mon 24 Nov 2008 19:47    Post subject: Re: Al Qaeda Calls Obama a House Negro bigben wrote: Rather odd response considering how arabs have a rich cultural background and intermixing with various african peoples. Not really....Some Arab groups have intermixed with African peoples; others not so much. Plus one can still hold African-looking people in contempt or see them as unattractive despite coming from a society that intermingled with them. Back to top abu isabella New User Joined: 21 Oct 2008 {Posts: 25 } Posted: Tue 24 Feb 2009 05:52    Post subject: I've met some Sudanese people who would easily be considered black here in the States. But if you call them anything but Arab, they'll actually get mad at you. Their claim is that they decend from Arabs who colonized the area and mixed with the Africans, but many of them strongly identify with their Arab roots rather than African. Back to top Dragon Horse SuperMentor Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva Posted: Tue 24 Feb 2009 14:46    Post subject: abu isabella wrote: I've met some Sudanese people who would easily be considered black here in the States. But if you call them anything but Arab, they'll actually get mad at you. Their claim is that they decend from Arabs who colonized the area and mixed with the Africans, but many of them strongly identify with their Arab roots rather than African. From what I've been told by Arabs, in that part of the world, you are what your father is. So if your father was an Arab you are. Also, one can acculturate into Arab culture (this happened with the spread of Islam...the Arabian population did not replace the Egyptian, other North African, and Levant populations), people just convert, adopt Arab Muslim names, and speak Arabic as a first language. They are usually considered Arab after that, however I do know in some Middle East nations "black Arabs" are not treated as Arab (I posted an article on this site about this in Iraq). I think this varies by region in the Middle East though because many Gulf Arabs have phenotypes that can be found in Ethiopia or Somalia for example, but are considered Arabs. Apparently many Sudanese Arabs are discriminated against in Iraq (and if I remember correctly, I would also say in Saudi as well). Back to top Ramzinski Probationary Joined: 16 Feb 2009 {Posts: 7 } Posted: Tue 24 Feb 2009 21:18    Post subject: Quote: I've met some Sudanese people who would easily be considered black here in the States I have never seen a Sudanese person who has a phenotype that would easily pass for Nonblack looking in the United States. So to me saying "I've met some Sudanese people who would easily be considered black here in the States" is like saying "I've met some Finnish people who would easily be considered white here in the States". The Sudan is not some racially diverse nation like the United States, Brazil, or Canada or even South Africa for example where you can find people of all racial phenotypes. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Tue 24 Feb 2009 21:31    Post subject: There is quite a bit a variation in phenotype in the Sudan; just not as much as other parts of the world. There are some Sudanese who look nothing like your average African American. Back to top Ramzinski Probationary Joined: 16 Feb 2009 {Posts: 7 } Posted: Tue 24 Feb 2009 21:40    Post subject: Quote: There is quite a bit a variation in phenotype in the Sudan; just not as much as other parts of the world. There are some Sudanese who look nothing like your average African American. You have seen Sudanese people that look like they would not be racially discriminated against if they lived in the American South during Jim Crow because their phenotype does not fall within the range of Black looking by American standards ? Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Improving U.S. Society All times are GMT Page 1 of 1 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group