That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
You'd be surprised. I've mentioned this here before, but my ex (A-A with a visibly mixed but strongly African phenotype) has Irish ancestry. Some Irish people from Ireland approached him and his family in a restaurant and asked them whether they were part Irish because they "had the look of the Irish." They are, but he was surprised that anyone "white" would actually see it and comment on it.
That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
You'd be surprised. I've mentioned this here before, but my ex (A-A with a visibly mixed but strongly African phenotype) has Irish ancestry. Some Irish people from Ireland approached him and his family in a restaurant and asked them whether they were part Irish because they "had the look of the Irish." They are, but he was surprised that anyone "white" would actually see it and comment on it.
True, it definately varies,
I think a defined cultural ethnic group may be up to acknowledging admixture... Irish-American Italian-Americans, French/French Canadians
Posted: Mon 16 Mar 2009 02:18 Post subject: Identity
gemini072 wrote:
sagascend wrote:
caribj wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
DChapman wrote:
That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
You'd be surprised. I've mentioned this here before, but my ex (A-A with a visibly mixed but strongly African phenotype) has Irish ancestry. Some Irish people from Ireland approached him and his family in a restaurant and asked them whether they were part Irish because they "had the look of the Irish." They are, but he was surprised that anyone "white" would actually see it and comment on it.
True, it definately varies,
I think a defined cultural ethnic group may be up to acknowledging admixture... Irish-American Italian-Americans, French/French Canadians
Cody did win the title of "Miss Navaho" or whatever and there was widespread outrage over the one letter than claimed she had no right to call herself Navaho because of her black father (If her father had been white, I presume the letter writer would have had no problem).
Cody did make a serious mistake that some half-black biracials seem to make in associating with blacks of the underclass who get them into serious trouble. This may be because they are looking for their "black roots" and head to the areas that are most obviously black - the underclass.
Posted: Mon 16 Mar 2009 12:38 Post subject: Re: Identity
Powell wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
sagascend wrote:
caribj wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
DChapman wrote:
That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
You'd be surprised. I've mentioned this here before, but my ex (A-A with a visibly mixed but strongly African phenotype) has Irish ancestry. Some Irish people from Ireland approached him and his family in a restaurant and asked them whether they were part Irish because they "had the look of the Irish." They are, but he was surprised that anyone "white" would actually see it and comment on it.
True, it definately varies,
I think a defined cultural ethnic group may be up to acknowledging admixture... Irish-American Italian-Americans, French/French Canadians
Cody did win the title of "Miss Navaho" or whatever and there was widespread outrage over the one letter than claimed she had no right to call herself Navaho because of her black father (If her father had been white, I presume the letter writer would have had no problem).
Cody did make a serious mistake that some half-black biracials seem to make in associating with blacks of the underclass who get them into serious trouble. This may be because they are looking for their "black roots" and head to the areas that are most obviously black - the underclass.
Right,
In a lot of case that 1/2white Mestizo probably has much less native culture/language than Cody, or hardly any. Cody was raised with it...
Especially being in the music industry there are way too many successful "black" musicians and entertainers that she could have access to.
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Posted: Mon 16 Mar 2009 16:48 Post subject:
I'm trying to recall but I have heard of several ethnic beauty padgets in America where people who were "half black" were had won. In a way this is saying a mixed race person represents their community.
I know of a half black, Miss Chinatown a few years ago, Angela Chao Roberson.
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Posted: Mon 30 Mar 2009 15:19 Post subject:
He can claim Irish all he wants. If his ancestor is from Ireland then let him claim it. We all know everybody is Irish on Saint Patrick's day, but there are people that are really Irish or that have Irish ancestors. Black people in the USA want Obama too be solely black, well sorry this is not WN. He is not solely black, do people forget he is also white? Forget the stupid one drop rule. Even some WN don't believe in that rule. Denying his white blood is denying part of himself. That's the way I see it. We all know Obama played that I'm only black too get the black Americans votes. I think most black people in America voted on Obama because he was half black that's being honest, not on his views. I voted for Obama because I thought he had good views. Sorry if I offend people but that's my thoughts.
He can claim Irish all he wants. If his ancestor is from Ireland then let him claim it. We all know everybody is Irish on Saint Patrick's day, but there are people that are really Irish or that have Irish ancestors. Black people in the USA want Obama too be solely black, well sorry this is not WN. He is not solely black, do people forget he is also white? Forget the stupid one drop rule. Even some WN don't believe in that rule. Denying his white blood is denying part of himself. That's the way I see it. We all know Obama played that I'm only black too get the black Americans votes. I think most black people in America voted on Obama because he was half black that's being honest, not on his views. I voted for Obama because I thought he had good views. Sorry if I offend people but that's my thoughts.
Please don't go into saying Black people want him to be solely black, that's not true, and I can say as a result of conversations, that many white people only see him as Black and see him as a muslim despite.
I know way too many AA who identify him as he choose but refer to him as half white mixed or biracial.
As running for President to say Obama 'played a part' just to get the black vote is not educated. Many would say saying he is only black would loose the white vote. Aren't whites supposed to be the majority and black the minority?
Many probably did vote because he was 1/2black(they also voted for white democrats), many voted because they are Democrate and he is democrat, others did not vote for him: because he is black(partially), Democrat(he may not follow their 'religious' convictions of abortion, homosexual rights etc etc
I wish people would get it that black americans just like white americans are not one dimensional people
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Posted: Mon 30 Mar 2009 18:20 Post subject:
gemini072 wrote:
Helloeverybody wrote:
He can claim Irish all he wants. If his ancestor is from Ireland then let him claim it. We all know everybody is Irish on Saint Patrick's day, but there are people that are really Irish or that have Irish ancestors. Black people in the USA want Obama too be solely black, well sorry this is not WN. He is not solely black, do people forget he is also white? Forget the stupid one drop rule. Even some WN don't believe in that rule. Denying his white blood is denying part of himself. That's the way I see it. We all know Obama played that I'm only black too get the black Americans votes. I think most black people in America voted on Obama because he was half black that's being honest, not on his views. I voted for Obama because I thought he had good views. Sorry if I offend people but that's my thoughts.
Please don't go into saying Black people want him to be solely black, that's not true, and I can say as a result of conversations, that many white people only see him as Black and see him as a muslim despite.
I know way too many AA who identify him as he choose but refer to him as half white mixed or biracial.
As running for President to say Obama 'played a part' just to get the black vote is not educated. Many would say saying he is only black would loose the white vote. Aren't whites supposed to be the majority and black the minority?
Many probably did vote because he was 1/2black(they also voted for white democrats), many voted because they are Democrate and he is democrat, others did not vote for him: because he is black(partially), Democrat(he may not follow their 'religious' convictions of abortion, homosexual rights etc etc
I wish people would get it that black americans just like white americans are not one dimensional people
Ok from what I have seen. All the black people I have talk to, you tell them he's half white, they get mad and say NO, he's black. They proceed to tell me that America has all the white presidents, can't black people be happy for once. Yes, but some white people gave him the vote because he was black also. Well the ones I know or talked to. They fell remorse for what their grander parents did to blacks. Which to me that's dumb and I don't think they should, but that's another topic.
That was good!!! I have told Obama fans, particularly, Black folks, that the Irish in Ireland will try to claim him as well, like they did with Ali.
I think the name of the magazine is Irish or Irish AMerican something like that
He's on the cover of the current issue
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
You'd be surprised. I've mentioned this here before, but my ex (A-A with a visibly mixed but strongly African phenotype) has Irish ancestry. Some Irish people from Ireland approached him and his family in a restaurant and asked them whether they were part Irish because they "had the look of the Irish." They are, but he was surprised that anyone "white" would actually see it and comment on it.
Ok from what I have seen. All the black people I have talk to, you tell them he's half white, they get mad and say NO, he's black. They proceed to tell me that America has all the white presidents, can't black people be happy for once.
Yes, but please remember that all of those people who have told you this are just some "black" people. You may also know several "white" people who think that Barack Obama is all "black" and only "black." He is commonly referred to in the media, by persons of divergent backgrounds, as just being a "black man." So your experience with this view is not one that should not be reflected upon as a view held by all "black" people or even by "black" people in general.
Most of us here, including you I gather, understand that the matter is quite a bit more complicated than Barack Obama just being "black" as opposed to "white."
caribj wrote:
The question is who would claim Barack if he were just Barry an unknown 23 year old man walking down the road and not the famous man that he is. Irish or African Americans and other self identified blacks?
I imagine no group would care so much to claim Barack Obama if he were just Barry, an unknown 23 year old. It is because people perceive Barack Obama to be a winner that they want to be associated with him. To many Kenyans, Barack Obama is not just "black" but Kenyan. To many African-Americans he is decisively an African-American. To some Irish, now too, he is an Irishman.
Now, if you are suggesting that because of his physical appearance (certain morphological features), our Barry the unknown 23 year old would be more quickly, readily, eagerly, etc. embraced by the "black" community in America then by an Irish-American or otherwise just "white" community then I agree with you in general. In other words that based on a first impression, in much of America, he would be regarded as just another "black" man.
Although I don't think that Barry would be required to accept and live by the pressures and assumptions that society so commonly places upon him. I also suspect that if our Barry were to embrace a sense of Irish heritage in America, by making it known publicly that he was Irish and by attending Irish cultural and social events along with "whiter" looking Irish-Americans, that he would also be accepted and included by most of them. And surely, the way in which others perceive and seek to label him would also be dependent upon such factors as his poise and attire and the company that he keeps. What, for example, if both he and all of his buddies had thick Irish accents, played bagpipes and wore kilts? And then what if Barry were to, one day, become a famous man like Barack Obama is?
I don't think that it is constructive, or honestly true, to regard "blackness" as permanent, in a fatalistic sense.
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