Just my .02 - don't forget, OJ had a rhinoplasty many years ago. So if anyone is looking at his septum and nasal bridge and thinking that is evidence of admixture, they need to rethink that aspect.
I will say that IMO the doctor gave him a very natural looking result, as opposed to certain celebs who just don't know when to stop!
In fact, I think a lot of the time on this famous people thread, we need to take our impressions of racial ancestry with a big grain of salt, because cosmetic surgery is very common...and these days it's both more affordable and accessible as well as more advanced.
Just my .02 - don't forget, OJ had a rhinoplasty many years ago. So if anyone is looking at his septum and nasal bridge and thinking that is evidence of admixture, they need to rethink that aspect.
Just my .02 - don't forget, OJ had a rhinoplasty many years ago. So if anyone is looking at his septum and nasal bridge and thinking that is evidence of admixture, they need to rethink that aspect.
Rhinoplasty or not, I think there is a general bias on these boards when mentioning the possibility of a supposed black phenotype person having mixed ancestry - especially if they have hair visibly kinky in texture and a broad nose. There's more than just a nose that indicates that he's mixed. I have first generation biracial cousins with hair just as kinky, skin just as brown, and noses just as broad. They don't even fit the stereotypical mulatto or mixed phenotype, but their momma is white - an indigenous European full blooded Caucasian. Their phenotype is more similar to mine and I'm MGM - more than 3 generations removed from my full blooded Caucasian ancestor.
Most of the Jackson siblings have had nose jobs, yet all of them are triracial and their admixture is still quite evident.
The same goes for Jocelyn Wildestein who is mulatto.
and for
Beyonce
Not to mention, O.J. Simpson has bloodlines deeply rooted in this hemisphere. There is no doubt that he's a product of miscegenation, in whatever way it occurred. Just as there is no doubt that he's African-American.
Rhinoplasty or not, I think there is a general bias on these boards when mentioning the possibility of a supposed black phenotype person having mixed ancestry - especially if they have hair visibly kinky in texture and a broad nose.
No, we just don't accept claims of fact when they are opinion. We are stating he may have some, but his features are not a guarantee.
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There's more than just a nose that indicates that he's mixed.
So state what that is.
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I have first generation biracial cousins with hair just as kinky, skin just as brown, and noses just as broad. They don't even fit the stereotypical mulatto or mixed phenotype, but their momma is white - an indigenous European full blooded Caucasian. Their phenotype is more similar to mine and I'm MGM - more than 3 generations removed from my full blooded Caucasian ancestor.
Could be. Post pictures. Look at Obama. He could be comfortable in a few places in Africa and his mom was White.
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Most of the Jackson siblings have had nose jobs, yet all of them are triracial and their admixture is still quite evident.
Maybe so. Maybe not. Again, conjecture. Most all African Americans have some admixture, but many have it to negligible degrees.
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The same goes for Jocelyn Wildestein who is mulatto.
Evidence she is mulatto.
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Not to mention, O.J. Simpson has bloodlines deeply rooted in this hemisphere. There is no doubt that he's a product of miscegenation, in whatever way it occurred. Just as there is no doubt that he's African-American.
OJ is not mixed or anything else. He is Black as are the Jacksons and Cicley Tyson.
get real!!
If he is , well then I am White!!
I am as White and go as White like some 1st cousins do and I must look like my aunts.
I am not. Two White grandmothers, one Mexican grandfather and one Black grandfather, I came out Black. It is fine and I can live with that.
OJ is not mixed or anything else people. Get real. Why cannot one just be what he /she is and OJ is Black. Lets not get carried away here.
Just my .02 - don't forget, OJ had a rhinoplasty many years ago. So if anyone is looking at his septum and nasal bridge and thinking that is evidence of admixture, they need to rethink that aspect.
Rhinoplasty or not, I think there is a general bias on these boards when mentioning the possibility of a supposed black phenotype person having mixed ancestry - especially if they have hair visibly kinky in texture and a broad nose. There's more than just a nose that indicates that he's mixed. I have first generation biracial cousins with hair just as kinky, skin just as brown, and noses just as broad. They don't even fit the stereotypical mulatto or mixed phenotype, but their momma is white - an indigenous European full blooded Caucasian. Their phenotype is more similar to mine and I'm MGM - more than 3 generations removed from my full blooded Caucasian ancestor.
Most of the Jackson siblings have had nose jobs, yet all of them are triracial and their admixture is still quite evident.
The same goes for Jocelyn Wildestein who is mulatto.
and for
Beyonce
Not to mention, O.J. Simpson has bloodlines deeply rooted in this hemisphere. There is no doubt that he's a product of miscegenation, in whatever way it occurred. Just as there is no doubt that he's African-American.
I agree with Salsassin, to show proof in some form that any celeb we discuss is in fact mixed. We can look at pictures all day long and conjecture, but at the end of the day it's still a guessing game. For that matter, I ought to provide proof that he had a rhinoplasty, and since I can't, I will retract my own conjecture on that. I just think comparing older pics from the 70s, it seems that way...
Now look over on the Carly Simon thread, and some folks are questioning her claim of being a quadroon. Admittedly, that is a surprise since she never mentioned it (to my knowledge) until just recently, but I just think it's interesting that if someone's phenotype looks mixed some folks assume they are, and when someone's phenotype doesn't look all that mixed but they claim their geneology in full, they are met with skepticism.
One thing though on celebs "coming out of the closet" so to speak, Carol Channing's revelation didn't surprise me one bit. I always thought that her beautiful large brown doe eyes and oveall facial structure made her look like a lot like Diana Ross.
Honestly, I am weary of people who insinuate that there is some type of prejudice toward those of darker complexion on this forum. Such a claim creates further division and misunderstanding.
Sometimes when a person cannot clearly see admixture (it is basically invisible in another person), they have the right to wonder about the individual's claims of being "mixed". There is nothing wrong with questioning something that doesn't appear to make sense, at least not on the surface. Sometimes we need to ask questions or be skeptical in order to gain a better understanding.
It does not mean that there is "bias"...sometimes that might be true, but obviously not in all situations. Sometimes it is simple curiosity.
I started a thread about a year ago about something similar and a bunch of people reacted so defensively that I apologized after a while just to avoid further conflict.
I was not speaking of anyone on this forum. I was speaking of people whom I know personally that claimed to be biracial/multiracial but were not...I also know their families personally. Some of these people I know claim to be "mixed" because they feel that biracial/multiracial people are more attractive, have higher social status, etc.
I will reiterate what I have said in previous posts...to have a normal skepticism about certain claims (especially when things are not always obvious) does not indicate bias.
If somebody who looks like Seal or Wesley Snipes or Alek Wek claims to be biracial/multiracial, I will naturally be skeptical of that person's claims. It has happened before in my experience. I would not criticize them openly (it isn't my business), but I will secretly wonder what the deal is.
Before anyone decides to attack that statement, I personally know dark-skinned individuals of mixed ancestry. So it is not all about skin color. However, there are other clues in an individual's phenotype sometimes. I have seen dark-skinned people with naturally straight hair and fine features. They may or may not be biracial/multiracial.
But my point is that any sensible person would know that while skin color and phenotype do not ALWAYS determine whether an individual is "mixed", they are usually pretty good indicators.
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I just think comparing older pics from the 70s, it seems that way...