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anonymouse
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| Seems like a "Which black american isn't mixed" list would be easier to compile. lol |
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pianoplayer111
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No disrespect intended, but there are indeed "monoracial" blacks who aren't mixed with anything at all.
This is as true of the United States as it is anywhere else, IMO.
Anonymouse...you're a great guy and all but don't you think your statement is a bit false? I don't want to be accused of attributing motives so I apologize in advance...it simply seems like you're overlooking the point of this forum when you make a statement like that.
There are AA's who are not mixed and if they are, the mixture is somewhat distant or hardly acknowledged in most cases. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.  |
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Creole GAL
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| triguy wrote: | | Creole GAL wrote: | I agree with triguy.
I think it is basically Hollyweird. The actor (tress) having a name has much to do with casting in a biopic.
Vanessa Williams , who is a popular and big name, pretty, black, but grey-eyed, etc. played in the tv biopic of Heneritte DeLille. One big problem there is that Heneritte DeLille was a free woman of color, and I think she was a guadroon or octoroon and looked white. Vanessa Williams looks black and is black. It would have been a more interesting story and controverisal and ratings getter if the lead was casted by a white actress with dark hair. It also would have been more true if a white actress was casted in this part. |
Vanessa Williams is mixed and looks mixed. She has very light brown skin. In some Latin America countries, Williams would be considered "white."
Also, because someone is a quadroon doesn't mean that he or she will look "white." |
IMO, and I should have said that, in my opinion and where I come from, Vanessa Willimas looks Black American and would be taken so as Black America. I am a firm believer in you are what you are , but you are what you look like and thus will be taken as what you look like.
Now ,about movies Hollywoodizing people, well it is not always accurate ,but it is a commercial thing. It would have been better and accurate and even a little controversial to have Mother Henriette DeLille played by a White American actress. Mother Henriette DeLille, it bugs me to no end that she is referred to as an African American . It is an injustice to call her African American when she was not. If you check out information about her from the Sister of the Holy Family website, and online, you will see where it now says African American because even they are conforming to current times and the current trend . It is not true and it truely takes away from her story. The big deal about H. DeLille is that she gave up a lot, a good and comfortable life. She was born to have a good life. I know today 's terms is "being a rich guy's mistress," and I do not condone that behavior ,but we are talking about the lifestyle of the people at the day and age. That is the way it was. No, it would not and I am not making light of any African American heros of history like Harriet Tubman. H. Tubman was a true hero and a courageous woman. H. DeLille gave up a privileged life to God, to help Blacks , Nat. Americans, orphans, and the poor. That is what makes her life so interesting. I have forgotten what percentage of Mother DeLille was Frencah , Spainsh, Black, but yes, she did look White. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Tue 05 Aug 2008 17:49 Post subject: |
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| Creole GAL wrote: | | triguy wrote: | | Creole GAL wrote: | I agree with triguy.
I think it is basically Hollyweird. The actor (tress) having a name has much to do with casting in a biopic.
Vanessa Williams , who is a popular and big name, pretty, black, but grey-eyed, etc. played in the tv biopic of Heneritte DeLille. One big problem there is that Heneritte DeLille was a free woman of color, and I think she was a guadroon or octoroon and looked white. Vanessa Williams looks black and is black. It would have been a more interesting story and controverisal and ratings getter if the lead was casted by a white actress with dark hair. It also would have been more true if a white actress was casted in this part. |
Vanessa Williams is mixed and looks mixed. She has very light brown skin. In some Latin America countries, Williams would be considered "white."
Also, because someone is a quadroon doesn't mean that he or she will look "white." |
IMO, and I should have said that, in my opinion and where I come from, Vanessa Willimas looks Black American and would be taken so as Black America. I am a firm believer in you are what you are , but you are what you look like and thus will be taken as what you look like.
I understand what your saying, but I believe what your actually saying is you can tell she is of SSancestry or you can tell she is of SSA admixture... something like that.
Now ,about movies Hollywoodizing people, well it is not always accurate ,but it is a commercial thing. It would have been better and accurate and even a little controversial to have Mother Henriette DeLille played by a White American actress. Mother Henriette DeLille, it bugs me to no end that she is referred to as an African American . It is an injustice to call her African American when she was not. If you check out information about her from the Sister of the Holy Family website, and online, you will see where it now says African American because even they are conforming to current times and the current trend . It is not true and it truely takes away from her story. The big deal about H. DeLille is that she gave up a lot, a good and comfortable life. She was born to have a good life. I know today 's terms is "being a rich guy's mistress," and I do not condone that behavior ,but we are talking about the lifestyle of the people at the day and age. That is the way it was. No, it would not and I am not making light of any African American heros of history like Harriet Tubman. H. Tubman was a true hero and a courageous woman. H. DeLille gave up a privileged life to God, to help Blacks , Nat. Americans, orphans, and the poor. That is what makes her life so interesting. I have forgotten what percentage of Mother DeLille was Frencah , Spainsh, Black, but yes, she did look White. |
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Nappytop
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R u serious? The guy that played Martin is lighter than king. King was a medium dark man.
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But not recently. In the movie "Boycott" both were played by color-appropriate actors.
I think Terrence Howard is going to play Thurgood Marshall in a movie. Not great but at least it's not Don Cheadle (bet you they asked him). |
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sagascend
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| Nappytop wrote: | R u serious? The guy that played Martin is lighter than king. King was a medium dark man.
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But not recently. In the movie "Boycott" both were played by color-appropriate actors.
I think Terrence Howard is going to play Thurgood Marshall in a movie. Not great but at least it's not Don Cheadle (bet you they asked him). |
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What is "medium dark?" All it seems to mean is someone whom the observer does not believe is "totally" sub Saharan African looking or is light enough/European looking enough to be called "lightskinned."
In terms of playing King, Wright does at least look a little like him and had his voice down cold. Paul Winfield, a "medium dark" person, is darker than King and also looks nothing like him. He was a great actor though.  |
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pianoplayer111
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I agree with you, Maya.
When speaking of skin color as it pertains to those of African descent/ancestry...there is "light", there is "medium", and there is "dark".
You can either be somewhere in the middle ("medium" complexion), or you can be dark.
You cannot be both.
Maybe Nappytop meant someone who is light brown?  |
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MrSolo
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"When speaking of skin color as it pertains to those of African descent/ancestry...there is "light", there is "medium", and there is "dark". "
IMO and from what I can tell, as America moves further away from racial classification and identification, people will be much less inclined to classify Vanessa Williams or many others like her as "black", for lack of a better word. |
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fwsweet
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| MrSolo wrote: | | as America moves further away from racial classification and identification, people will be much less inclined to classify Vanessa Williams or many others like her as "black", for lack of a better word. |
I notice myself doing that quite often when I must describe someone. At a dinner-party last Saturday I said, "The federal prosecutor? She is the very dark lady at the hors d'ouvres table." This form olf description may be more common where a gathering includes many West Indians and Hispanics, and it is impossible to tell someone's ethnic self-identity just by looking. |
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sagascend
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| fwsweet wrote: | | This form olf description may be more common where a gathering includes many West Indians and Hispanics, and it is impossible to tell someone's ethnic self-identity just by looking. |
This is my tendency as well (to say "light," "dark" "olive" etc. when describing a person). I think for me it was a response to the annoyance I feel when people use physical descriptors used for "Whites" (i.e, she has red hair, freckles and glasses) but racial ones for "non Whites" (i.e., he's an Asian guy with glasses) or Latinos. |
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pianoplayer111
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Unfortunately, Maya, I think that racially descriptive language will always be around.
Because the HUMAN race is so diverse, there are many different types of people.
And I suppose that in order to distinguish people from one another, people make references to physical appearance with racial statements.
I've noticed that this is extremely common no matter where I've been, with a few exceptions.
I have heard black folks describe others in somewhat racialized terms. Like "that white girl over there" or "the Chinese guy". This is not something that is unique to any particular group. Everyone uses this type of language classification on a subconscious level at some point in time.
I'm guilty, too.
I feel what you're saying, though. Some people tend to view us so-called "non-Whites" as a monolithic entity. They don't really observe differences and similarities, i.e. the way some people believe that ALL men of immediate African descent are athletically inclined hypersexual studs.
Or the notion that ALL women of African descent have a "ghetto booty", seductive dance rhythm, and lack refinement. |
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pianoplayer111
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Actually, to address Anonymouse's comment...
Paul Dunbar was a famous AA who is known to have had NO admixture at all. He did not have a single European ancestor. He was very proud of this fact.
His wife, Alice, had both French and Native American ancestry. |
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fwsweet
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| pianoplayer111 wrote: | | Paul Dunbar was a famous AA who is known to have had NO admixture at all. |
Source, please. Such a thing would appear to be unknowable on the face of it, given prehistoric migrations in both directions across the Sinai and in both directions across the green prairies now called the "Sahara". |
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Dragon Horse
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| pianoplayer111 wrote: | Actually, to address Anonymouse's comment...
Paul Dunbar was a famous AA who is known to have had NO admixture at all. He did not have a single European ancestor. He was very proud of this fact.
His wife, Alice, had both French and Native American ancestry. |
I'm going to guess pianoplayer meant no immediate admixture in his direct line since his African Ancestors were in the New World.
Is that correct? I personally don't have a clue as to his background, but I thought I would show a picture. |
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Powell
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fwsweet
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| Dragon Horse wrote: | | I'm going to guess pianoplayer meant no immediate admixture in his direct line since his African Ancestors were in the New World. |
If his African ancestors were brought to North America before slave importation was ended in 1807, then the man had one thousand ancestors alive at that time. If anyone has published known genealogy on all one thousand of those people, I would very much like the source. This is a second request for pianoplayer. The only way that Dragon Horse's guess is even plausible is if all four of the man's grandparents were immigrants from subsaharan Africa.
Regarding the photo, if pianoplayer meant to say that pictures of the man "look completely African to pianoplayer," then that is what she should have written, not, "known to have had NO admixture at all." Pianoplayer now has 24 hours to either provide a source, retract the outrageously implausible claim, or be suspended. |
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pianoplayer111
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Frank...
If that is what I meant, then I would have said that. However, this is not about me or my perceptions.
I did not make any reference to Dunbar's phenotype whatsoever. Yes, he does have an African phenotype...but that is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
I will provide links to back up my statement that you deem as being an "implausibly outrageous claim". |
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pianoplayer111
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| Posted: Mon 16 Mar 2009 17:43 Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I meant to say "outrageously implausible claim". |
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pianoplayer111
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pianoplayer111
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A.D...I did not know that Dunbar was unkind to his wife, but I have read that she was bisexual.
Paul and Alice separated in 1902. He died of tuberculosis in 1906. |
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