The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Do Latinos who say they are white deny their heritage?          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Ethnicity in America Author Message Sadie Regular User Joined: 19 Oct 2008 {Posts: 73 } Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:38    Post subject: Do Latinos who say they are white deny their heritage? Do you think that Latinos who are phenotypically white and say they are White, are they denying their Native-American and/or African roots? Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5381 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Tue 21 Oct 2008 03:32    Post subject: Re: Do Latinos who say they are white deny their heritage? Sadie wrote: Do you think that Latinos who are phenotypically white and say they are White, are they denying their Native-American and/or African roots? No. Back to top sir alcal New User Joined: 01 Sep 2008 {Posts: 30 } Location: italy Posted: Sat 25 Oct 2008 13:37    Post subject: Yes.Btw some latinos are 100% white. Back to top Sadie Regular User Joined: 19 Oct 2008 {Posts: 73 } Posted: Sat 25 Oct 2008 15:45    Post subject: sir alcal wrote: Yes.Btw some latinos are 100% white. I don't think that Americans would agree that a Hispanic/Latino no matter how white-looking would be considered White here in America. Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5381 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Sun 26 Oct 2008 13:28    Post subject: Sadie wrote: I don't think that Americans would agree that a Hispanic/Latino no matter how white-looking would be considered White here in America. Re-phrase this opinion in active voice and it comes unglued. "I don't think that "Mister or Ms. X" would consider a Hispanic/Latino White, no matter how white-looking." At issue is who is is doing the considering? For example, to quote U.S. Congresswoman Corrine Brown, as she addressed a Mexican-American political opponent. "All you white men look alike to me." Back to top Sadie Regular User Joined: 19 Oct 2008 {Posts: 73 } Posted: Sun 26 Oct 2008 15:58    Post subject: fwsweet wrote: Sadie wrote: I don't think that Americans would agree that a Hispanic/Latino no matter how white-looking would be considered White here in America. Re-phrase this opinion in active voice and it comes unglued. "I don't think that "Mister or Ms. X" would consider a Hispanic/Latino White, no matter how white-looking." At issue is who is is doing the considering? For example, to quote U.S. Congresswoman Corrine Brown, as she addressed a Mexican-American political opponent. "All you white men look alike to me." I can only speak from my personal experience. As soon as you tell a White American that you're Latino they do not see you as one of them. Usually a Spanish last name is sufficient or sometimes it's just some "exotic" looks. Back to top Evan Bourne Suspended Joined: 31 Jan 2009 {Posts: 18 } Posted: Tue 03 Feb 2009 08:47    Post subject: Quote: At issue is who is is doing the considering? For example, to quote U.S. Congresswoman Corrine Brown, as she addressed a Mexican-American political opponent. "All you white men look alike to me." Maybe her Mexican American political opponent was very fairskin hence why Corrine Brown referred to him as a White man. I wonder if she would have said the same thing if her Mexican American opponent looked like this guy. Back to top Helloeverybody New User Joined: 28 Mar 2009 {Posts: 12 } Location: Florida Posted: Mon 30 Mar 2009 14:37    Post subject: Sadie wrote: sir alcal wrote: Yes.Btw some latinos are 100% white. I don't think that Americans would agree that a Hispanic/Latino no matter how white-looking would be considered White here in America. So? It doesn't matter what white people in America think. You and White people need too understand, that the USA is not the only place where white Europeans came too. Spaniards came all across South America. You can't call somebody that's German decent, non white solely because they come from South America. That's stupid. My parents come from South America, they are German and Spaniard decent. They hate the label Hispanic in the USA, Hispanic is a term that the US government use to put people from Spanish speaking countries into one group no matter what their race is. Now everybody is confused what is a Hispanic. Even so called Hispanics themselves. They are black or white but they will say no, they are Hispanic. Without knowing Hispanic is NOT a race. Abolish that term in the US. It only brings confusion. Back to top Helloeverybody New User Joined: 28 Mar 2009 {Posts: 12 } Location: Florida Posted: Mon 30 Mar 2009 14:59    Post subject: To answer your original question. NO!!!!! Because Latino is not a race. Some are mixed, some are black, some are white. Plus Latino does not only mean people from South America, which hopefully you don't think that. It can also mean people from Latin Europe, which we all know Europe is white heaven lol. Back to top Richard Miller Wizard Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 425 } Location: San Antonio, Texas Posted: Sun 26 Apr 2009 04:23    Post subject: Helloeverybody wrote: It can also mean people from Latin Europe, which we all know Europe is white heaven lol. Not true. Latino specifically means someone of Latin American decent. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/latino http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/1997standards.html I know that this mentality probably stems from a false sense of unity that some Latinos may feel with certain European immigrants that want nothing to do with them (reminds me of a skit John Leguizamo did where he attempted to connect with an Italian man who kept calling him a "spic"). Back to top girlfromthenc Mentor Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 269 } Posted: Mon 27 Apr 2009 01:35    Post subject: Everyone is aware Latinos are not only from South America. Mexican-Americans make up 60% of US Hispanics, which is the reason many Americans call all Hispanics Mexicans. And as far as Europeans, I have never met an Italian or French person who identified with US Hispanics and the Spanish seem to pick and choose. Some do consider themselves "latinos" (such as actress Penelope Cruz) and others don't like actor Lorenzo Lamas. Either way, European immigrants tend to marry into the Anglo White community instead of the general Latino population. Its not even unusual for Argentinians who migrate here to reject the Hispanic classification despite their "latin" culture and American Indian heritage that they share with other Hispanics. Back to top Richard Miller Wizard Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 425 } Location: San Antonio, Texas Posted: Mon 27 Apr 2009 02:32    Post subject: girlfromthenc wrote: Everyone is aware Latinos are not only from South America. Mexican-Americans make up 60% of US Hispanics, which is the reason many Americans call all Hispanics Mexicans. And as far as Europeans, I have never met an Italian or French person who identified with US Hispanics and the Spanish seem to pick and choose. Some do consider themselves "latinos" (such as actress Penelope Cruz) and others don't like actor Lorenzo Lamas. Either way, European immigrants tend to marry into the Anglo White community instead of the general Latino population. Its not even unusual for Argentinians who migrate here to reject the Hispanic classification despite their "latin" culture and American Indian heritage that they share with other Hispanics. Well, I think it's important to distinguish between the terms "Latino" and "Hispanic." Just because you are one does not mean that you are the other. Spaniards (and I believe Equatorial Guineans) are Hispanic, but not Latino. Haitians, French Guianans, and Brazilians would be Latino, but not Hispanic. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Mon 27 Apr 2009 03:07    Post subject: Equatorial Guineans would be Africans who come from a country where Spanish is the official language. Technically, a Hispanic is someone of Spanish European background who lives in a New World Spanish-speaking country. So, Jose Marti and Gloria Estefan would be Hispanics, but Estefan's husband, Emilio, would not be. He's of Arabian descent. Same with Carlos Menem. In common usage in the U.S. Hispanic is used by Latinos and non-Latinos to mean anyone from a Spanish-speaking country in the Western Hemisphere. Some people, even where I live in Washington DC, refer to any Latino as a "Spanish person" as well. Unfortunately, your average person doesn't distinguish between Latino and Hispanic. Question for the board for those who are in the know: Wasn't the term Latin America originally coined in Europe, specifically France? Quote: Do you think that Latinos who are phenotypically white and say they are White, are they denying their Native-American and/or African roots? Not necessarily. There are many Latinos who see themselves and are seen as white in their native countries, but freely admit that they have Amerindian and/or African ancestry. Back to top William Moderator Joined: 30 Mar 2005 {Posts: 1082 } Location: New Jersey Posted: Wed 13 May 2009 16:38    Post subject: Gordon wrote: Question for the board for those who are in the know: Wasn't the term Latin America originally coined in Europe, specifically France? I have read that it was coined in France in the middle 1800s. Back to top JoshH Regular User Joined: 10 Jul 2009 {Posts: 86 } Posted: Sat 25 Jul 2009 22:33    Post subject: William wrote: Gordon wrote: Question for the board for those who are in the know: Wasn't the term Latin America originally coined in Europe, specifically France? I have read that it was coined in France in the middle 1800s. I just read this: Quote: The term "Latin American" was used for the first time in the nineteenth century when the French occupied Mexico (1862-1867) and wanted to be included in what is considered Spanish America. For that reason the French speaking people from Quebec (Canada) are considered Latin Americans but not "Hispanics." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans The same source goes on to distinguish between "Hispanic" and "Latino': Quote: "Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain," has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latino—which in Spanish means "Latin" but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericano—refers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot substitute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word." To which I'd say perhaps, but I'm one of the minority of Americans with Spanish ancestry whose ancestors didn't AFAIK come here by way of Latin America, so people would be misled if I said I was Latino . . . Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Ethnicity in America All times are GMT Page 1 of 1 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group