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G-Man Moderator

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| Evan Bourne wrote: | | To me Johnny Cash's first wife looks like a lightskin black woman/mulata. |
Or Lebanese, Armenian, Iranian, Mexican, Israeli, etc. |
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Evan Bourne Suspended

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| Quote: | | From what I understand federal crime statistics count Hispanics as white when they are perpetrators of crime and Hispanic when they are victims of crime. I don't know why it's done. |
So if a El Salvadorian MS-13 gang member for example murders a Black person it is considered considered a White on Black crime ? |
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Powell Suspended

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Posted: Thu 05 Feb 2009 03:58 Post subject: Classification |
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| I would guess that Hispanic criminals are classified as "white" in order to hide crime problems. Crime victims would be "Hispanic" in order to promote the idea of the eternally victimized "minority." Classifying Hispanic criminals as "white" would also hide the embarrassing problem of frequent black/Hispanic "hate crimes." It perpetuates the ideal of racist whites versus innocent blacks. Classifying Hispanics as "white" in prison statistics would hide the embarrassment of whites as a minority in prisons. |
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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Thu 05 Feb 2009 04:48 Post subject: Re: Classification |
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| Powell wrote: | | I would guess that Hispanic criminals are classified as "white" in order to hide crime problems. Crime victims would be "Hispanic" in order to promote the idea of the eternally victimized "minority." Classifying Hispanic criminals as "white" would also hide the embarrassing problem of frequent black/Hispanic "hate crimes." It perpetuates the ideal of racist whites versus innocent blacks. Classifying Hispanics as "white" in prison statistics would hide the embarrassment of whites as a minority in prisons. |
The Prison concepts is something to look into.
I did some research a few years ago and noticed the racial systems are pretty rigid. Definately not a place to help people express their diversity.
Yet, Italian-mob/mafia groups are common, Hispanic groups are common(aside from whites, and even by latin region) black groups are common(afrocentric, NOI) white groups (skinheads, neo nazi, others)
I'll look up some hard evidence |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Thu 05 Feb 2009 17:45 Post subject: |
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| Evan Bourne wrote: | | Quote: | | From what I understand federal crime statistics count Hispanics as white when they are perpetrators of crime and Hispanic when they are victims of crime. I don't know why it's done. |
So if a El Salvadorian MS-13 gang member for example murders a Black person it is considered considered a White on Black crime ? |
According to the way DOJ (Department of Justice) crime statistics are compiled, probably yes. Now if the black gang member killed the same MS-13 member, the victim would be seen as Hispanic. |
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girlfromthenc Mentor

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Despite all the stories of "White flight" and " burglary attacks on innocent whites in their homes", the facts still remain that Black men murder each other more than anyone else. And most Hispanic/Black crimes come down to drugs and gangs, much like Black on Black crimes do. When White males start joining gangs and selling drugs at the rate young Hispanic and Black males do you'll see White prison rates start to increase drastically as well!
On the other topic, Hispanics are classified both racially and ethnically. So if prison records only ask for 'race' and most Hispanics fit the description of Caucasian why wouldn't they go under White crime statistics? Fair is fair. I've seen (White) Hispanics added to the the White population count when it came to providing the racial data for America (with them I think the White population is 76 or 79%). It is a double standard to segregate them when the school test scores are low and the crime rates are printed out.
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girlfromthenc Mentor

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I checked that site. I expected Mariah Carey to be listed as Multiracial, however I was a bit surprised Wentworth Miller was. He is most famous for his role on Prison Break where he plays (from what I assume) a White male.
When I use to watch Dark Angel years ago i use to wonder was Jessica Alba mixed (Black and White). I know that that she is very fair with straight hair but her lips had me questioning her every episode! I dunno. I read a profile of her before where she listed about 6 different European ethnicities and 'Mexican Indian' last (sort of like it was a very far away heritage like Heather Locklear would have). On the other hand Wentworth Miller's biography reads about the same. He names everything under the sun from Europeans to Arabs to Black Americans to Jamaicans. |
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Helloeverybody New User

Joined: 28 Mar 2009 {Posts: 12 } Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon 30 Mar 2009 15:32 Post subject: Re: definition of "white" |
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| Powell wrote: | | abu isabella wrote: | | Like Frank said, I guess it depends on who's making the call. But as a white person myself, I would say that woman is definately not white. |
Note that the "race" is listed as "White/Hispanic" as opposed to "White." This is common in law enforcement's "wanted/missing" posters. I would say that "white" is meant to show respect for the racial sensitivities of Latinos and Latin American nations, while "Hispanic" is a way of saying that the person is not "white" by the usual American standards. |
No Hispanic is a way to say that she is from a Spanish speaking Country. |
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fwsweet Administrator

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| Subsequent messages diverged from discussing U.S. ethnicity to whether the inhabitants of the Mediterranean are of the "Caucasian race." They have been split to Mediterraneans and the Caucasian "Race" in the forum "Racialism in Science, including Craniofacial Anthropometry." |
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bluestocking New User

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The poster lists her as white/Hispanic. If I saw her on the street and had to give a description of her to the police, I'd say she was a medium to dark complected Hispanic child. She looks like she's got some black and American Indian mixed with the Caucasian, but that's a pretty typical combination for a Hispanic kid. Her mom looks Hispanic as well -- a mix of black, white, and Indian. I hope they find her and that she and her sisters are safe.
In the common definition of the word used in the United States, neither the girl or her mother are white, despite what they might be called in other countries. It's a good thing they have pictures of them up because the description wouldn't help anyone find them. |
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