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gemini072
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| G-Man wrote: | | Ashkar wrote: | | It's interesting reading the far fetched theories you guys are coming up with, and they're sort of borderline insulting and ignorant. Whether you admit it or not, some of you guys have David Duke type thinking when it comes to phenotypical variation outside of Europe. |
Please elaborate. |
Warn him is what you should do, I see another in the making...
Is it a full moon |
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Lolly
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| A co-worker introduced me to Aishwarya Rai in 2000 and at the time I too thought she looked white. But as I read more about East Indian culture and saw photographs of Indian people, I realized that she has very Indian features. She is simply stunning. |
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pianoplayer111
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Um, did I say that one needs to have European ancestry to have blue eyes? Because I'm absolutely certain that I didn't. I said it is *possible* that she has European ancestry and yes, it does mean something. Please read before responding.
And Ashkar...do you not feel it is condescending to come onto a forum as a new member and label our theories "far-fetched", "insulting", and "ignorant"? THAT is insulting and ignorant. If you don't agree with what somebody says, either don't bother to respond or state your facts/opinions tactfully. |
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Ashkar
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| My apologies, I would delete my post but I can't take back what I said. |
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Salsassin
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| She was hot in The Last Legion |
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mixedmom
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| Conversations regarding the origins of East Indians can be found here. Please continue your conversations about Aishwarya Rai in this thread. |
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gemini072
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Mike the Jedi
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| She's just south Indian. |
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Metro
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| Mike the Jedi wrote: | | She's just south Indian. |
lol @ The half Greek/Hodgepodge American making an appearance on this board.
Here is her family:
And an informative thread, featuring at least one member in this thread. |
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MixedMuffin
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shes a very beautiful woman nonetheless. India is extremely diverse in skin colouring, I remember watching a programme about native peoples who live in the moutains of india and many of them look like this lady. Both Indians and Pakistanis have the same obsession over skin colouring, I remember hearing a group of indian girls discussing the good looks of a fellow indian guy who had a child with a friend of theres, and then dismissing him as useless as he was 'so dark and ugly' it surprised me!
I thought the original 'aryan race' came from this part of the world? Wouldnt they have been fair skinned with light eyes? |
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EraMera
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| Most people from India have dark complexion but in the neighbouring countries of Pakistan and Nepal, almost everyone has the same skin colour of Aishwarya Rai. So for South-Asians, she is far from being an exception. |
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Dragon Horse
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| mixedmom wrote: | | sagascend wrote: | | I believe that she is also of English ancestry, but many Indians are as fairskinned as she is. |
This woman reminds me of Brooke Shields. I didn't realize that the Asian Indian population was this diverse. |
Brooks Shield's is part Lebanese. |
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Dragon Horse
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| mixedmom wrote: | | fwsweet wrote: | | Melani23 wrote: | | And she is from South India (Dravid) as well. I think these fair E. Indians (no recent admixture) are from Eastern-Euro and/or Armenian descent from way back. Did you know that there are ancient Christian communities in India? |
She might be Zoroastrian. The Zoroastrians were a culture/religion in ancient Iran since at least 500 B.C., but were driven out when the Muslims conquered the country. The fled to southern India and are still there. Fair skin tone and light eyes are not uncommon among them. |
To my eyes, Aishwarya Rai looks nothing like the people of India. My perspective would probably be different if I were more familiar with Indian culture. If she is from the Zoroastrian group, it would seem that this ancient Persian group must be practicing endogamy and not mixing with the darker Indian population. |
She doesn't have to be Zoroastrian, although they tend not to marry out.
She could just be from Punjab, I have an Indian friend who is barely darker than an Southern Italian, she is a Sikh, her parents are from Punjab, she is also 5'7", almost all her Indian friends are also Punjabi and they are tall and fair skin too.
Most of the Indians I have worked with are from Tamil Nadu, on the Southwest Coast, some of those people look like Aborigines and some like black Africans.
So INdia has a serious Clin from North to South.
It kind of makes sense, the Dravidian people of the South (like Tamils) were thought to have been pushed South by constant invasions of people from the North, starting with the Indo-Aryan invasion (thought to be from Persia), these people set up the caste system and mixed their religion with the preexisting one to form "Hinduism".
India has been invaded throughout its history, but various Indo-European groups such as Persians, Greeks, people from Afghanistan, etc. They were last invaded by Turko-Mongols (also fair skinned) who were also Muslims....who were disposed by the British...
Anyway, most of the Indians I have worked with are from Tamil Nadu because that is where the IT hub is so they tend to be dark and short...on average, not always short, but almost always dark skin (as in about as dark as the typical African American), but most Indians actually don't look like that.
Tamil's
Punjabi:
Green Eyed Indian Boy:
Indian actors
Poor in Mumbai (former Bombay)
People from Kashmir:
Indian woman from Assam (new Myanmar)
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Dragon Horse
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| punjabtrini wrote: | | pianoplayer111 wrote: | She is gorgeous. As to her ancestry, it is possible that she has Euro blood but because Indians are technically classified as Caucasian, that could explain her phenotype as well.
All racial groups are diverse, IMO, due to mixing. I have Lebanese relatives who are as white as can be (with blue eyes, to boot). Sri Lankans tend to be very dark and so do Dravidians. That is the look Mixedmom is probably referring to. I know many Indian women who resemble Rai and some who are even fairer/whiter in phenotype than she is. |
One does not need to have European ancestry (whatever that means) to have blue eyes! There are groups like Nuristani and Kalash (NW Frontier Province of Pakistan), Baluchi, Waziri, Azeri and others who do not originate from Europe but who, through isolation and terrain (natural barriers) have maintained their 'identity' and through heterogeneity show external characteristics of red beard, blue/green eyes, or light brown hair!
Recently there was a National Geographic segment documenting a 'Caucasian' group of people buried in the 'desert' in China (along the Silk Road)!! |
When those people were barried there, it was not part of China, even today that is not China proper but in the province of Xinjiang (means New Territory), it officially became part of modern China in the 19th century.
What is obvious is that people of Western Eurasia had gene flow and the Silk Road, the steppe from Hungary to Mongolia where many nomads wondered on horseback all contributed to this Eurasian gene flow over the last few thousand years.
Chinese reported seeing people of light eyes and hair (who they said were "hairy like apes" in Xinjiang since 200BC, the Greeks met them too in Afghanistan and recorded it. There language was Indo-EUropean and they were called Tocharians (in Greek), in Chinese something "yue" something or "moon" people...today the people are a result of a mixture of ancient Tocharians, Mongols, and Turks (along with some Han Chinese admixture).
Central Asia and South Asia (especially the Northern park (Pakistan and Northern India) have long been mixing pools between various regions of Eurasia.
The genes for light skin found in India are from europe for example, also Indians with blue eyes, to my knowledge also have genes that are thought to have originated around the Baltic, but that does not mean their have direct ancestry from Europe, as if ancient Slavs walked to India and set up shop.
It only means their are gene flow along the Eurasian Steppe (in both directions).
You can see that here, keep in mind this is South India, and this does not mean they have "European" ancestry, it is more proper to say "affinity with Europeans" or better yet with 'Western Eursians" as opposed to "Eastern Eurasians". Once again this confirms no one is pure anything, there are no biological races of humans.
http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/12/south_indian_phylogeography.php |
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