Van Jones: Only White suburban kids shoot up schools.
That is true. Look up the stats.
Please provide a source. You have 24 hours. The only data I have (from Homicide Studies, Vol. 9 No. 4, November 2005 271-291) shows that, relative to the African-American proportion of the population, African Americans are overrepresented in the ranks of serial killers by a factor of two. In other words, a random African American is twice as likely to be a serial killer than a random non-African-American. This is roughly the same imbalance as for all other violent crime. See African Americans and Serial Killing in the Media: The Myth and the Reality.
Admittedly, this report is about serial killers in general, not about underage school shooters, so if you have a more specific source, you should post it now.
You might want to start at Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings and then extract just those that happened in the U.S. It should not be hard to collect data. Ever since the federal government in 1996 made schools free-fire zones for killers, the rate has climbed to one U.S. school shooting every 60 days. There is another list here. Again, you might want to limit your research just to U.S. school shooting within the past ten years or so.
Thanks. I really want the statistics on school shooters. The sites I listed give statistics on this, but I am looking for straight numbers.
It looks like this is going to have to be done the hard way, since apparently no one has tabulated it. I have prepared a document at http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=52, Listing all of the U.S. school shooting that have taken place since the federal "gun-free zone" act of 1996. Column "W-p" shows how many White perps were involved, "B-p" is the number of Black perps, and "N-p" tells how many perps were not identified as to "race" in any news report (for tabulation purposes, we should assume these to be "White"). We should do a google search on each shooting, looking up all available news reports on each one, and then add each event's shooter-count to the list.
I have already tabulated into the spreadsheet the six perps of the four school shootings so far this year (2009): Henry Ford Community College, Dearborn, Michigan, 10-Apr; Hampton University, Hampton, Virginia, 26-Apr; Larose-Cut Off Middle School, Larose, Louisiana, 18-May; and Skyline College, San Bruno, California, 2-Sep. Of the six school shooters of 2009 (so far), five were Black and one was not identified as to "race" (I therefore assume White).
I plan to continue by looking up the nine 2008 school shootings. If you want to help, I would appreciate your doing the same thing with the five 2007 school shootings. Depending on how consistent the numbers are, for the past three years, we could continue working backwards from there.
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I have completed researching the 13 U.S. school shootings that have taken place since January 2008. They are such sad stories of children's lives cut short by a criminally negligent federal policy that makes U.S. schools deathtraps. Since January 2008 there have been 13 school shootings involving 22 shooters. Of those 22 gunmen, 19 were African Americans and 3 were either White or not identifiable by "race." So far, 86 percent of school shooters were Black. I shall continue next with 2006.
I know that this information may come as a shock, given the media's choice of which school shootings to report, so I encourage everyone to download the spreadsheet and click on the links to read the stories for yourself.
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Update. The fraction of school shooters who are African American is 61 percent, covering all incidents from January, 2003 to the present. Specifically, in the 32 school shootings in the period, 28 shooters were African-Americans, 9 were White, and 9 were either something else (Korean, Philippine) or indeterminate. Download the spreadsheet to click on links with pictures of all the shooters. The fraction of A-A school shooters (61 percent) is much higher than the A-A share of any other form of criminal violence.
One would think that this horrifying fact would be screamed by the news media. It is hard to believe that the de facto concealment of this phenomenon by the media is idealogically driven. More plausibly, it is precisely because most school shootings are committed by African-American youngsters, that such events are not newsworthy. The reverse is unusual and so newsworthy. The consequence, of course, is that the ignorant public comes to believe that what is actually unusual is the norm and that what is actually the norm never happens.
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I have finished investigating all of the U.S. school shootings since the federal "gun-free zone" act of 1996. The results are posted in African-Americans Also “Shoot Up Schools”.
Posted: Mon 07 Sep 2009 21:41 Post subject: The AA crime rate
fwsweet wrote:
Update. The fraction of school shooters who are African American is 61 percent, covering all incidents from January, 2003 to the present. Specifically, in the 32 school shootings in the period, 28 shooters were African-Americans, 9 were White, and 9 were either something else (Korean, Philippine) or indeterminate. Download the spreadsheet to click on links with pictures of all the shooters. The fraction of A-A school shooters (61 percent) is much higher than the A-A share of any other form of criminal violence.
One would think that this horrifying fact would be screamed by the news media. It is hard to believe that the de facto concealment of this phenomenon by the media is idealogically driven. More plausibly, it is precisely because most school shootings are committed by African-American youngsters, that such events are not newsworthy. The reverse is unusual and so newsworthy. The consequence, of course, is that the ignorant public comes to believe that what is actually unusual is the norm and that what is actually the norm never happens.
I've long suspected that media outlets and most politicians ignore the highly disproportionate rate of AA crime because they really believe the cause is genetic but, of course, only "racists" would be so gauche as to claim that perhaps the AA sub-culture (as opposed to "white racism" in some vague, general sense) may be the ultimate source of the problem.
I think that fear of being called "racist" keeps the problem from being solved because it cannot be defined or even acknowledged. Any criticism of "blacks" is deemed "racist" because the people making the accusation may themselves believe that AA problems such as the high crime rate, test score gap, etc. are rooted in genetic inferiority. They then project their belief in genetic inferiority unto any critics of AA behavior. I think this is true of those who are AA-identified themselves, not just "whites" or others. I also think that a tacit belief in AA genetic inferiority encourages support of the ODR and forced hypodescent among "white" liberals and AA elites. After all, they are probably thinking, how will "blacks" create a history of achievement to supposedly convince all those regular whites out there that "blacks" aren't inferior unless people with a lot of Euro DNA achieve great things in the name of "blacks." Sure, that's a contradiction. However, they can indulge in contradictions as long as they are never voiced in the mainstream media.
de facto concealment of this phenomenon by the media is idealogically driven. More plausibly, it is precisely because most school shootings are committed by African-American youngsters, that such events are not newsworthy. The reverse is unusual and so newsworthy.
That's a plausible explanation but keep in mind that school shootings that receive national media coverage are usually greater in magnitude than the lesser known school schootings committed by AAs. I think it has less to do with the perpatrators "race" and more to do with the number of victims involved. Public multiple victim shootings recieve more media attention regardless of who did the shooting. When a black guy pulls off a Columbine or Virgina Tech style shooting I can assure you it will recieve equal attention.
Powell wrote:
I've long suspected that media outlets and most politicians ignore the highly disproportionate rate of AA crime because they really believe the cause is genetic but, of course, only "racists" would be so gauche as to claim that perhaps the AA sub-culture (as opposed to "white racism" in some vague, general sense) may be the ultimate source of the problem.
I don't understand what you're saying.
The general concensus among AAs is that AA sub-culture is the ultimate source of the problem. Not counting civil rights organizations most AAs attribute the high crime rate to factors other than racism. Even many AAs on the left do. To my knowledge the only people who link AA crime to AA genes are white nationalists and some hbd beleivers.
Powell wrote:
I think that fear of being called "racist" keeps the problem from being solved because it cannot be defined or even acknowledged. Any criticism of "blacks" is deemed "racist" because the people making the accusation may themselves believe that AA problems such as the high crime rate, test score gap, etc. are rooted in genetic inferiority. They then project their belief in genetic inferiority unto any critics of AA behavior. I think this is true of those who are AA-identified themselves, not just "whites" or others. I also think that a tacit belief in AA genetic inferiority encourages support of the ODR and forced hypodescent among "white" liberals and AA elites. After all, they are probably thinking, how will "blacks" create a history of achievement to supposedly convince all those regular whites out there that "blacks" aren't inferior unless people with a lot of Euro DNA achieve great things in the name of "blacks." Sure, that's a contradiction. However, they can indulge in contradictions as long as they are never voiced in the mainstream media.
Yes fear of being labled racist prevents many white people from acknowledging the problem but it's also because most of the victims of black crime are black. As long as its confined to predominatley black areas, it doesnt affect white liberals and AA elites. Suppose that at some point, whites muster up the courage to speak about the "problem" openly and unapologetically? What will follow? Would white people simply move as far away possible from black neighborhoods, as most whites currently do, or would there be a white uprsing???
By the way, most AA offenders are not arrested for committing violent crimes. A significant percentage of black males are impriosoned for selling drugs. While that can't be blamed on racism, it can be blamed on poverty to some extent. If politicians were serious about reducing AA crime rates, they could start by closing the borders and providing more funds to agencies that target people who smuggle drugs into the country. That alone would solve much of the problem.
I think it has less to do with the perpatrators "race" and more to do with the number of victims involved. Public multiple victim shootings recieve more media attention regardless of who did the shooting.
That is very possible also. The nine incidents with the most fatalities were:
Virginia Tech, 16 Apr 2007, 33 dead
Columbine High School, 20 Apr 1999, 15 dead
Red Lake Senior High School, 21 Mar 2005, 8 dead
Amish school, 2 Oct 2006, 6 dead
Northern Illinois University, 14 Feb 2008, 6 dead
Westside Middle School, 24 Mar 1998, 5 dead
Heath High School, 1 Dec 1997, 3 dead
Louisiana Technical College, 8 Feb 2008, 3 dead
Appalachian School of Law, 16 Jan 2002, 3 dead
Of those, only the last two were committed by A-As. On the other hand, Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho holds the all-time record, and I am not sure if he counts as White or not.
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