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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009 01:19    Post subject: Famous ''white'' families with ''black'' ancestry Reply with quote

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009 13:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting page. It is titled The Blurred Racial Lines of Famous Families and relates to a program entitled Secret Daughter. I could not find a video of the film anywhere online, although The Frontline site has a transcript HERE. It is also not available via Netflix or my local library system. If anyone finds out how I can view it, I would appreciate it very much.

Just to be technical, it would have been more appropriate to have titled this thread as Famous ''white'' families with some sub-Saharan African ancestry.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 03:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know how very fair or accuarte this all is since it is not fair or accurate about Heather Locklear. It is just going by her dad's surname. Do they know the Heather Locklear family? No.

The surname, Pico, is Creole in Louisiana.
You pronounce it, pee-coo.


But,hey,I think people are more alike than different and names ,ancestors traveleld and changed as well as ethnic groups over time. So what.

I won't say my last name but it is odd here in the states and very common in Canada and France.
I am not White nor French Canadian.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 03:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creole GAL wrote:
I do not know how very fair or accuarte this all is since it is not fair or accurate about Heather Locklear. It is just going by her dad's surname. Do they know the Heather Locklear family? No.

Actually, yes. She is considered a member of the Lumbee tribe by their enrollment director and has cousins in Robeson County. Just Google "Heather Locklear Lumbee" for many online sources. Although to my knowledge, Ms. Locklear has not had an autosomal DNA test, she has publicly acknowledged that she undoubtedly has some SSA, given that the Lumbees average about 45 percent SSA.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 13:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said, they have considered her as a member of the Lumbees. Did Heather Locklear give information about her family? I am going to say no. Suppose her father was adopted or grandfather.
You said she has publically acknowledged some SAA. Ok, I'll look it up.
Her looks are not what I base on who has some SSA or not. I am not looking at herlooks and saying,no way.I was thinking because she is famous and has the surname that related to the Lumbees that it is assumed she has SSA. I know some people who are way more White American than Heather Locklear far blonder, with bluer eyes, whiter skin, pointed noses like pencils and they are Creole but go as White American.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 13:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find where she said she is a descendant of the Lumbee Native American tribe of N.C.
It is all over the net that she is, but did she say it?
The Lumbee Tribe is not SSA.
Maybe some people who are BA are from the Lumbee. HL branched off from Europeans and Lumbees. Maybe.


Jessica Simpson said she has Native American ancestory. Sisters Crystal Gayle and Loretta Lynn said so as well. The country music sisters look like too. NA is not BA.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 14:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creole GAL wrote:
The Lumbee Tribe is not SSA.

As I said, Lumbees average about 45 percent sub-Saharan ancestry. See Frank W. Sweet, Legal History of the Color Line: The Rise and Triumph of the One-Drop Rule (Palm Coast FL: Backintyme, 2005) page 85; or Wayne Winkler, Walking Toward the Sunset: The Melungeons of Appalachi, 1st ed. (Macon GA: Mercer University, 2004) pages 232-41. If you are claiming, against the published peer-reviewed evidence, that the Lumbees have negligible sub-Saharan ancestry, now would be a good time to provide a source for your claim. For an overview of U.S. mixed-ancestry communities, see Melungeons, Redbones, and Other U.S. Maroons.

Creole GAL wrote:
I can't find where she said she is a descendant of the Lumbee Native American tribe of N.C. It is all over the net that she is, but did she say it?

Every published celebrity bio of Ms. Locklear, without exception, tells of her heritage and she has talked about it on camera many times. See her Celebrity Profile:
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A mix of American, African and European origin (Lumbee Indian), Heather Deen Locklear was born on September 25, 1961, in Westwood, California. The youngest child to Bill Locklear (the Dean of the School of Engineering at UCLA) and Diane Locklear (Administrative assistant of the Walt Disney Company), graduated from Newbury Park High School in Newbury Park, California before studying psychology at the University of California in Los Angeles. During her time at UCLA, Heather was a model for the school store and appeared in television commercials. When bitten by the acting bug, she left college to focus on her career.

You will find one of her many acknowledgments of her ancestry in the interview published in "Walter Scott's Personality Parade", Parade Magazine, 23 August 1998. Given the unanimity of every professional bio source, it might be best for you to post your source for claiming that she is not Lumbee or that she does not openly acknowledge sub-Saharan ancestry.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Nov 2009 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I in the punish corner?

I was not disputing scholarly documented research conducted over years, published, reviewed and fact checked by author's peers . I thought I was posting, having a conversation.
I 'll go read pg. 85.

You always...site a source. Well, I asked about HL because I did not see a source from her own mouth where she said she had ancestors of the Black part of the Lumbee Tribe.
Like I said in my first post, I am not basing my questioning on her looks. I know people who are 100% identifiable WA and far whiter than HL. They go as WA. They have a few BA and Nat.Amer.ancestors way back on the family tree. Be what you want. I know people who are 100% WA in looks and far whiter than HL and go as BA. Fine. Whatever.

As far HL, if she identifies as Lumbee from the SA line that mixed with the Lumbee Tribe , fine. If she was not or did not, fine.
You said, yes, she has said she comes from the Lumbee Tribe branch that mixed with SSA. Ok. You gave me a good source ( Parade magazine. Like I said, I could not find a source where she said so.
Ok, I see the sources.

I asked because I know the in thing by some BA, this PBS show, is that anybody with any BA on their ancestorial tree, means they are BA. Back to ODR. I thought this show took it on themselves . Well her name is Locklear...Locklear part of Lumbee....yes, she's BA! I am not WA /French Canadian. My surname is very common in Canada via France.
I said in my first post, surnames, people and ethnic groups changed and traveled over time. People are more alike than different.
I should not have said, 'So what." It is interesting about names, esp. uncommon surnames here in the U.S.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Nov 2009 03:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creole GAL wrote:
Am I in the punish corner?

Not at all. It is just that you sounded so certain, that I thought you might have some information that I was unaware of. If so, I wanted to learn about it.
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