The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' CNN's O'Brien embraces her own diversity Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Popular Culture Author Message zsana Moderator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 {Posts: 1013 } Posted: Thu 02 Feb 2006 18:36    Post subject: As promised Frank... The enlarged image of Soledad, her mom and eldest daughter that you requested last year. http://backintyme.com/forum/store/Untitled-1.jpg Hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas and it's good to see everyone here still active at this entertaining and educational site. Had a great Christmas vacation in Europe as always. Found out fantastic news there too. I'm pregnant with my second baby! My husband and I are so happy. That's why I've been missing in action here... Too exhausted and/or busy to post. I'm sure this will be the case for some time too. Well, at least I can pop in and read once in a while. Anyway, it's good to be back! Take care. Felicia Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 4525 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Thu 02 Feb 2006 19:18    Post subject: Congratulations! Back to top zsana Moderator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 {Posts: 1013 } Posted: Fri 03 Feb 2006 00:08    Post subject: Thanks Frank! Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2678 } Posted: Fri 03 Feb 2006 18:46    Post subject: zsana wrote: As promised Frank... The enlarged image of Soledad, her mom and eldest daughter that you requested last year. http://backintyme.com/forum/store/Untitled-1.jpg Hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas and it's good to see everyone here still active at this entertaining and educational site. Had a great Christmas vacation in Europe as always. Found out fantastic news there too. I'm pregnant with my second baby! My husband and I are so happy. That's why I've been missing in action here... Too exhausted and/or busy to post. I'm sure this will be the case for some time too. Well, at least I can pop in and read once in a while. Anyway, it's good to be back! Take care. Felicia Congratulations MOMMA!!! Back to top zsana Moderator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 {Posts: 1013 } Posted: Fri 03 Feb 2006 22:22    Post subject: Ahhh thanks Ty! You (and everyone else here at the group) have a GREAT weekend! Back to top sweetsister Guest { } Posted: Tue 14 Mar 2006 04:00    Post subject: YOU DON'T LOOK WHITE TO ME I have a new way of dealing with "well-meaning" friends, strangers and coworkers who approach me with "You don't look Black to me", "What ARE you?" or (my personal favorite)"What's your nationality?"(this presupposes that I am so stupid that I think "nationality" means "ethnicity" rather than country of origin). I turn to them and immediately ask(with a straight face)"What's YOUR nationality?" or "What are YOU?" or I comment "You don't look White to me." This throws people off-balance completely and forces them to stop, THINK, feel uncomfortable and defensive----in other words, it forces them to have the same alienating experience multiethnic people have almost EVERY DAY in this country! Try it, and feel free. Back to top mixedmom Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 772 } Posted: Tue 14 Mar 2006 05:04    Post subject: Re: YOU DON'T LOOK WHITE TO ME sweetsister wrote: I have a new way of dealing with "well-meaning" friends, strangers and coworkers who approach me with "You don't look Black to me", "What ARE you?" or (my personal favorite)"What's your nationality?"(this presupposes that I am so stupid that I think "nationality" means "ethnicity" rather than country of origin). I turn to them and immediately ask(with a straight face)"What's YOUR nationality?" or "What are YOU?" or I comment "You don't look White to me." This throws people off-balance completely and forces them to stop, THINK, feel uncomfortable and defensive----in other words, it forces them to have the same alienating experience multiethnic people have almost EVERY DAY in this country! Try it, and feel free. I've been asked questions like this most of my life. People are curious in some cases. Other times, there may be some nefarious reason for these questions. I've been questioned by whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians about my ethnicity. Have you ever had Hispanic people approach you and start speaking to you in Spanish? I have. I'm sometimes amused by these questions. My daughter is in Middle school. Her science teacher is a white woman who is engaged to a black man. The fiance has come to the school a couple of times during the school day. My daughter told me that her teacher and her teacher's fiance kept staring at her. I'm assuming that they're probably fantasizing about what their own future child will look like. No harm, no foul. Back to top femmedecouleur Mentor Joined: 03 Jun 2005 {Posts: 270 } Location: California Posted: Tue 14 Mar 2006 23:18    Post subject: zsana wrote: I'm pregnant with my second baby! My husband and I are so happy. That's wonderful news! Congratulations!!!!! Back to top zsana Moderator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 {Posts: 1013 } Posted: Wed 15 Mar 2006 14:17    Post subject: Thanks for the sweet congrats femmedecouleur! We're having another little boy! My son is just going to LOVE being a brother to a little brother... Can hardly wait till this new little miracle is here. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 16:04    Post subject: fwsweet wrote: Hmm. I wonder if she tells her kids that they are "light-skinned Blacks," the way her mother told her. Just a thought. You can carry that only so far before people think that you are nuts. I guess she does zsana wrote: http://ourlifeinblackandwhite.blogspot.com/ Quote: Hi everyone, need your input here. I have an ongoing discussion with my wife that was recently joined by CNN correspondent Soledad O’Brien. Obviously, I am a white man married to a black woman with two small interracial children. We are part of a CNN documentary scheduled to be aired in the spring of ’08 titled Race in America. In the interview conducted by Soledad, the question was asked as to how we would raise our children in relation to racial identity. I responded that I wanted them to see themselves as interracial – that is neither black nor white specifically. As they mature, should they want to identify themselves as either or both, that would be their prerogative. My wife differs in this as she takes the common argument that the world will see them – literally – as black, and consequently we should explain that and tell them they are African-American. Soledad takes that side and shared that her mother, who is black, told her and her siblings the same. She identifies herself as black, defends it adamantly, and raises her interracial children as black. What are your thoughts on this? The irony is her mom would ahve been possibly described as a light skinned Black or a Mulata in Cuba, but she would definitely have been seen as White, just like her kids. Back to top Creole GAL Experienced User Joined: 12 Mar 2007 {Posts: 183 } Posted: Tue 05 Aug 2008 17:34    Post subject: Best wishes to zsana. --------------------------------- Soledad is not Black American. Her dad is White and her mom is Cuban. She is not Black American. Here lies the problem because people make a problem...Soledad has to be something and since she is famous,so she is considered Black here in our country. Hispanic people do not consider themselves Black Americans . They let you know right off ,no matter if they are brown , they are NOT Black Americans. As for her kids, in my opinion, they are what they look and they look White and the will considered White by society. I know many people who are Black, I guess ,but they look White, their parents look White and the lived in White worlds( school ,neighbors,) so they go as White. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2678 } Posted: Tue 05 Aug 2008 17:58    Post subject: Creole GAL wrote: Best wishes to zsana. --------------------------------- Soledad is not Black American. Her dad is White and her mom is Cuban. But her mom (who sees herself as Black Cuban) raised her that way too...So Soledad would be 'Black American' as well depending on what 'Cuban' heritage was passed to her. Does Soledad speak spanish? And she is American(nationality) not Cuban(nationality) Her dad is Irish-Australian which is another dynamic in itself. She is not Black American. Here lies the problem because people make a problem...Soledad has to be something and since she is famous,so she is considered Black here in our country. Not really, she wasn't always famous. Actually only in the last 10 years at the most. She was raised that way before the News. Hispanic people do not consider themselves Black Americans . They let you know right off ,no matter if they are brown , they are NOT Black Americans. As for her kids, in my opinion, they are what they look and they look White and the will considered White by society. I know many people who are Black, I guess ,but they look White, their parents look White and the lived in White worlds( school ,neighbors,) so they go as White. Back to top Creole GAL Experienced User Joined: 12 Mar 2007 {Posts: 183 } Posted: Tue 05 Aug 2008 21:40    Post subject: I just believe , either wear a tee-shirt for indentification or just be. Society will take you for what you look like. Some people have problems because they have a hard time trying to"fit in." I like Soledad, but umm, if she is so Black American and her children are ,according to her ,then why did marry a White man? Hmmmm... She should have gone only for Black guys . There is no way , marrying a White guy, could she have had Black kids. Yeah , I know her mom is a Black Cuban. That one little part would have not given her Black kids with a White husband. I personally think she has said this about having the kids be Black because she is famous. It would start a firestorm for her to publically say the other...the kids are going to go as White. Black Amer., Jessa Jackson, Rev.Al wanting to meet with her, Tom Joyner- The Fly Jock and crew would go after her. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2678 } Posted: Tue 05 Aug 2008 23:11    Post subject: Creole GAL wrote: I just believe , either wear a tee-shirt for indentification or just be. Society will take you for what you look like. Some people have problems because they have a hard time trying to"fit in." I like Soledad, but umm, if she is so Black American and her children are ,according to her ,then why did marry a White man? Hmmmm... She should have gone only for Black guys . We're did she say her children were Black American? Why does a persons racial identity get questioned if they marry someone of another race? Blacks are sell outs Whites are Ni&&er lovers etc etc So you mean every black person who married non black are not really proud of being black? Every white person who married a non white person are trying to escape their whiteness? There is no way , marrying a White guy, could she have had Black kids. Yeah , I know her mom is a Black Cuban. That one little part would have not given her Black kids with a White husband. I personally think she has said this about having the kids be Black because she is famous. It would start a firestorm for her to publically say the other...the kids are going to go as White. She has shifted her identity toward a 'multiracial' one. Remember the topic is:CNN's O'Brien embraces her own diversity. I don't know what that fully means for her. But she seems to be accepting of her cuban heritage as well as American AA culture for herself. I don't know how the Irish part of her goes. I know a good number of 1/2Latin 1/2White poeple who don't identify with their 'whiteness' because Latino trumps that. Maybe that is the way it is with her mothers view of it as well. Black Amer., Jessa Jackson, Rev.Al wanting to meet with her, Tom Joyner- The Fly Jock and crew would go after her. Back to top Creole GAL Experienced User Joined: 12 Mar 2007 {Posts: 183 } Posted: Wed 06 Aug 2008 01:11    Post subject: I took that information from Salassin's post . See the post above with the mag cover. I like Soledad and I am not saying she is a sell-out. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2678 } Posted: Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:17    Post subject: Creole GAL wrote: I took that information from Salassin's post . See the post above with the mag cover. I like Soledad and I am not saying she is a sell-out. No, that link was posted by Zsana and it's about another interracial couple that Soledad interviewed. Back to top Creole GAL Experienced User Joined: 12 Mar 2007 {Posts: 183 } Posted: Thu 07 Aug 2008 01:36    Post subject: I see .I went back and reread the posts . I am late to this thread and got the posts mixed up. Back to top HastaLaPasta New User Joined: 08 Mar 2008 {Posts: 11 } Posted: Sun 02 Nov 2008 22:19    Post subject: G-Man wrote: Here Latino means mestizo, Indian or Southern European white. People who "look black" are often not perceived as Latino by Latinos and non-Latinos; they are seen as "simply" black. Consequently, many simply identify as black, African American, even Caribbean (if they're of Caribbean ancestry). The general perception seems to be that Latinos are either phenotypically white or mixed, but it's not as if Latinos who look black, regardless of admixture, are not accepted by other Latinos. I'm black, my father being African-American, and mother Afro-Colombian. Most people don't assume I'm Latino, but whenever other Latinos learn this they generally dispose of black American identification they made and recognize me solely as Latino. Of course this also depends on whether or not someone like me speaks Spanish. Even in Latin American most of the people who look black, or rather the darker-skinned blacks, are identified as black(negro/negra). However here in the U.S. there's often some confusing when crossing cultures because people think of black and African-American as synonymous terms. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Popular Culture All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4 Page 4 of 4 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group