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 Post subject: Latinos: The Indian Escape Hatch
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Latinos:
The Indian Escape Hatch
By William Javier Nelson

http://racetraitor.org/nelson.html


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I asked Lynne Guitar how many Dominicans claim Indio:

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From: Lynne Guitar [mailto:lynneguitar@yahoo.com] I wish I knew, Jaime, but it would take a lot of time and research to find out. I would guess that the number would be very few, for there is no social, political, or economic advantage to claiming to be "indio," in fact, quite the opposite, for to be "indio" is synonymous with being "stupid" and "gullible." Also, the Dominican teachers and school books hit hard on extinction for the Taino--most Dominicans accept the word of the "authorities" without question, even when their parents and grandparents use terms and concepts that have come down to them via the Taino.


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Jorge Estevez Taino Testimony Caribbean Amerindian Centrelink
Jorge Estevez from Laguna Salada, Cibao, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

My name is Jorge Estevez, my family comes from a town in the Dominican Republic known today as "Laguna Salada" (salted Lagoon) but part of it is still called "Jaibon". At the turn of the century, the whole town was known as "Guabay". Jaibon is in the "Cibao" region of the Island.

All my family came from the campo (country side). Some family members have never left the campo and are still there today. We immigrated to the U.S. in 1961. I was left behind with my father and did not make it back to New York until I was 5 years old. We settled in the Inwood section of Upper Manhattan.

From early on, being one of the few Dominican families in the area, I became aware of how distinct we were from the other people in the neighborhood. We had different words for many things that other Latinos had, for example, we would say "un chin" as apposed to un poquito, or Auyama for calabasa, himagua instead of twins, ciguato instead of podrido, etc., and this among other things became a source of pride, in who we are and where we came from, for me.

On Saturday mornings my mother and grandmother told stories of our campo that fascinated me. There were stories of "Ciguapas," creatures that lived in the woods and had long hair and inverted feet. There were the stories of brave Indians who would rather die than succumb to the Spanish. Women whom my family believed were beautiful were always compared to Anacaona, a Taino Cacika (chief) who was murdered by the Spanish. My mother always maintained that bravery and jealousy were the two things that ruled an Indian’s life. My mother would put us to sleep with songs with Indian themes, one in particular she created from an old Cuban poem dedicated to the Taino.

My grandmother always told us that we were Indio. Even when I pointed out to her that we had family members who were black, she would in turn point out the ones that looked Indian or Spanish. To her it did not matter how mixed we were, because we had a history in Jaibon and that history was ultimately Indian. My mother on the other hand always told us that we were Indian and Black, and although she never used the word Taino to describe us, she did use Indio often. When I wanted to know about our African heritage she would just raise her shoulders and tell me she did not know what that was, but if it was anything like the Haitians, then we were different. She never spoke in racist terms when it came To Afro- Haitian/Dominicans because she recognized them as being a part of who we are as well. Her knowledge of the campo however was incredible as was her assertion of our connection to these things.

Some tales involved family members who had strange powers, and could shape-shift. My grandmother’s uncle, Don Choro was said to be able to change into any animal or plant. Other stories included "Botijas" (dreams) in which Indians would bring you messages or point out where buried treasure was hidden.

Of all the things we learned, nothing compared to "Casabe" and the planting of food crops and medicines. They spoke of "tua-tua" and how it could only be picked at certain times of the day, but that it was a great cure for diarrhea. Guanabana leaves were great for headaches, and so on. Yagua and Cana were the best for making Bohios (thatched roof houses), and guano was good for weaving Hamacas, arganas, and macuotos. "Cayucos" were a type of cactus that produced a fruit called "yaso" and it was made into a drink, as was the "behuco de Indio" that was used for "mabi".

The Casabe is made from the bitter yucca, which is poisonous. When we made casabe my mother would tell us that the best utensil to spread the yuca flour on the griddle was the bottom shell of a Hicotea (fresh water turtle). This always bothered me because I always liked keeping turtles in the house, but my mother would only allow land turtles, not the water kind, because she insisted they brought bad luck. When I questioned her as to why it brought bad luck, she just didn’t know. All she knew was that her grandparents in the campo always maintained that these animals should not be kept in the home.

Years later I read a Taino creation story from a book and realized why she had this taboo. According to the story the spirit being Deminan Caracarcol had children with a fresh water turtle, and these children became the first people, so in essence the turtle was a symbol of our mother and our ancestors never ate her flesh for that reason. It was then that I understood why my mother perpetuated a taboo with out even knowing why. After 500 years of Christianity, it is truly amazing how certain taboos and traditions have remained. Owls for example are considered messengers of death in the Dominican Republic. Many Native people in this Hemisphere also have this same perception of owls. In Europe the owl is seen as a symbol of wisdom.

I remember how once, while my mother was making casabe and telling me stories, my mind drifted back in time, and I wondered if maybe 500 years ago there was some other little boy watching his mother make casabe while listening to stories of our homeland, of heroic warriors and great shamans. At that moment I knew that our connection to these things are strong and it is the root of who we are and defines us as a people.

For me it boils down to where I come from. I identify with the roots of our culture in the Caribbean. I am extremely proud of our heritage. So when I am asked where I come from, I always answer: I am Taino from the Dominican Republic, from the town of Jaibon.


Also from Jorge:

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Baracutay12@aol.com wrote:
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:51 PM
Hello, Max Forte forwarded your email to me.
As for your inquiry, yes there have been two, although very limited, DNA studies done in the Dominican Republic.
The first were conducted by an Italian company along with the Late Dr. Luna Calderon. These studies were focused in the Barahona region. Of the 29 samples taken (all from people displaying mostly African heritage) 10 had Native American Mitochondrial DNA.

In the second, Professor Juan Martinez Cruzado of Puerto Rico took 196 samples and of these 33 percent had Native American MTDNA. What should be noted is that in previous studies in Puerto Rico where the population is 4 million people, 800 samples were taken and 61 percent of these were Indian. The DR has over 9 million people so a much higher representative number of samples must be obtained before any conclusion can be made.
That said there are a few things that are clear though:
(1) the question as to whether or not there is Native descent in the DR has been answered and the answer is yes.
(2) The samples in the DR are Haplo groups A and C. The C haplo groups and types match the Puerto Rican C group. But the Haplo group A does not match the Puerto Rican A. This implies that the Haplo group A in the DR is from an older population that mixed with the Arawakan speaking peoples that entered the region some 3 thousand years ago.

I took a Bio-geographical DNA test, one that gives percentages of mixture. I tested positive for all three, except that my Native American Markers were so high that it implied that my ancestors were "pure" up to 5 generations ago. Not bad for a supposedly extinct people!

I actually took the test three times because at first I was not at all convinced that such a thing was possible.

On my first test which was called the 2.0 DNA print test My percentages were 29% Native American, 39% African and 32% Caucasian. It was this first test that confirmed for me what my grandmother always said about our families’ descent. She claimed that her grandmother and all the people of the place I come from in the DR were pure Indians. So since I had 29% Indian that means my mother would have perhaps twice as much and so on.
But then I took an updated version of the test, 2.5 , which goes deeper into the genome and this one revealed that I was 42 percent Indian.
One thing though. I think that as important as the tests are, they are also a bit misleading. I think that Identity is more about culture than genes. The reason why I have always identified with Native is because of the campesino culture which is very Native in the DR.
At the end of these tests I am still as Indian as I was at birth. The thing is does confirm however is that our history in the Caribbean must be re-written. That the Taino became extinct 30 years after contact with the Spanish is just about the biggest myth ever created and we in the Caribbean bought that side of the story, hook line and sinker!

If you have any further questions please contact me at this email address.
Thank you
Jorge


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When an occasional person appears who deviates from this ideal, the editors of Hispanic are quick to disclaim that the person is a "black Hispanic".


LOL I've noticed this too....if a person looks blatantly of african origin, they're called "black hispanic", but everyone else is just "hispanic".


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When an occasional person appears who deviates from this ideal, the editors of Hispanic are quick to disclaim that the person is a "black Hispanic".


LOL I've noticed this too....if a person looks blatantly of african origin, they're called "black hispanic", but everyone else is just "hispanic".

Only in the US.


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Salsassin wrote:
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When an occasional person appears who deviates from this ideal, the editors of Hispanic are quick to disclaim that the person is a "black Hispanic".


LOL I've noticed this too....if a person looks blatantly of african origin, they're called "black hispanic", but everyone else is just "hispanic".

Only in the US.


Yet when non Hispanic blacks exclude Hispanic blacks they are sometimes criticized. In fact this became a big issue when an AfroCuban woman (Zulima Farber) was suggested for a top position in New Jersey when McGreevey was governor. Apparently some African American politicians didnt consider her "blacK" and so refused to support her candidacy. She said she was hurt not to be considered black, and in fact considered herself to be black Hispanic as do others like Gina Torres. Bob Menendez was highly annoyed.

Sometime back Black Enterprise had a whole article on this. Maybe some black Hispanics dont mind being called Black Hispanic in recognition of their racial as well as their ethnic/cultural background. Maybe these people have issues not only from non Hispanics (black and white) but also from some Hispanics who dont consider them to be mainstream Hispanic Americans.


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caribj wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
Phil345 wrote:
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When an occasional person appears who deviates from this ideal, the editors of Hispanic are quick to disclaim that the person is a "black Hispanic".


LOL I've noticed this too....if a person looks blatantly of african origin, they're called "black hispanic", but everyone else is just "hispanic".

Only in the US.


Yet when non Hispanic blacks exclude Hispanic blacks they are sometimes criticized. In fact this became a big issue when an AfroCuban woman (Zulima Farber) was suggested for a top position in New Jersey when McGreevey was governor. Apparently some African American politicians didnt consider her "blacK" and so refused to support her candidacy. She said she was hurt not to be considered black, and in fact considered herself to be black Hispanic as do others like Gina Torres. Bob Menendez was highly annoyed.

Sometime back Black Enterprise had a whole article on this. Maybe some black Hispanics dont mind being called Black Hispanic in recognition of their racial as well as their ethnic/cultural background. Maybe these people have issues not only from non Hispanics (black and white) but also from some Hispanics who dont consider them to be mainstream Hispanic Americans.

As a descriptor yes. But it has never been used as somehow excluding them from Hispanic manistream


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